With regards to players staying back for another year or two in the NCAA.. I completely agree as I think it creates a better product in the NBA. The only way to change that (beside modifying the CBA) is to change the NCAA.
The NCAA is so evil man.. the schools make so much money on the backs of these young kids. Pay the talent! Not just with scholarships but with actual incomes. Once that happens the kids will stay, the talent pool then gets better, and the NBA is better for it. More Tim Duncan's, less Kwame Brown's (in theory).
I played a certain sport at a certain university in the states for 4 years, and I would never, ever have expected to have been paid.
I think the issue is really with using the NCAA as a free farm league.
If pay becomes an issue, then leagues should follow the model set by the MLB (who'd have thought that would ever be said).
I don't see Raptors ever winning a championship so Playoffs is good enough for me.
The only way to develop a championship pedigree in the franchise is to actually get a taste of what it is like to play post season basketball. Look at the pacers: in 2011 they faced the Derrick Rose-led Chicago Bulls complete with bench mob, and lost in 5 games I think in the first round. A year later the same core of players was facing Miami in the second round, taking Miami to 6. Last year, the Pacers were a game away from the NBA finals.
What's the next step? the finals.
Four years of winning basketball has led them to be in the position they are in today. Hibbert has grown, Stephenson has stepped up immensely, David West is playing well, and Paul George is already in the MVP discussion at the age of 23. I don't believe these guys developed as players simply by having "growth/development" aka losing seasons. They were thrown into the fray and they responded in a big way.
I can see why many people believe the Raptors' success has been artificial this season- the Eastern Conference is bad, a lot of big name players are out/ returning, and Kyle Lowry might only be playing so hard to get a contract. I don't buy any of this. Regardless, we have a chance to grow this core of players and see what we truly have talent-wise on this team.
In the same way some of the Pacer's players have stepped up, we have seen Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, john Salmons and Kyle Lowry step up immensely alongside Demar Derozan's continuous growth on a consistent basis. Guys like Amir, Jonas, Vasquez, Hansborough, and Hayes are all solid players who can make major contributions. The two guys I see growing are JV and Vasquez- young guys with so much potential. Some spring time basketball can definitely help accelerate that growth and maturation.
This year we have a chance to:
A) make some noise during all star weekend
B) Win the Atlantic Division
C) Play in the Playoffs
D) Win our first round series
E) Likely face the Pacers or Heat in the Second round and lose, but most importantly, spend some time to learn from the best in the business.
G) In the summer, make some trades/ acquisitions while our players are high in value. The High value will come from a playoff run.
since when did 'growth/development' have to happen in losing seasons? raptors are growing and developing RIGHT NOW in a winning season.
Sure, Indy has talent 'now', but the current level of that talent was not readily apparent or predicted at the time it was acquired (e.g. Hibbert, Stephenson, George). The Pacers talent was clearly 'developed' beyond what anybody could have hoped. And Larry Bird and Vogel will say that a lot of that talent development starts with the right culture and character.
(Lol, I basically just posted the same thing that you did.)
And it's funny, because this team has developed the mentality of being a tough, hard-working, leave it on the floor, never say die group. So, if we actually drafted an elite talent like Wiggins, based on his current scouting report about how he has a tendency to float through games and not be aggressive, I could see the Toronto fanbase turning on him and attacking his character as being soft and lazy. We could be right back to 7 years of 'waiting on Bargnani to lead us', all over again.
Last edited by golden; Wed Feb 5th, 2014 at 04:05 PM.
@iblastoff my point is that winning is necessary for growth. Basketball is a sport in which exposure and effort are sometimes the best ways to grow. Making the playoffs, if handled correctly by the Raptors, can be a fantastic opportunity to witness how this team will respond to great pressure, both from the city and from the teams they face. As for the growth, thats my point. It doesn't happen by t anking.
@OldSkoolCool Talent wise, we have: JV, Ross,Patterson, Vasquez, and Derozan who are all young and who all have the potential to grow like those guys on the Pacers did. The potential is there. The growth is happening now.
If you went back 4 years, I don't think many people saw Stephenson, Hibbert, George, and co as being top tier professionals the way they are today.
That same opportunity exists for our team right now.
Don't forget that besides George, Stephenson and Hibbert, they had an all star Danny Granger, a 2-way PG in George Hill and they also had Hansborough. They also signed an old all star David West in 2011, when they made their first push past the first round.
So they started with
Hill/Stephenson/George/Hibbert/Granger/Hansborough and added West after their first playoff appearance.
Lowry/DD/Ross/Amir/JV/2Pat.....we have a long way to go talent wise.
Hmm I have a bit of a different view.
Hill was improving, Lowry is at his peak
DD and Granger are very similar in their respective 5th seasons
Ross has a long way to go before becoming the next George
We have no one with the abilities of Lance Stephenson, or anyone who will improve like Lance has
The combo of Amir/2Pat is not equal to West with his ability to operate out of the low block
Hansborough = Hansborough
Hibbert was actually worse than JV so far (comparing 2nd years)...so if there is any reason for gaining an advantage it is here.
Although there is room for us to improve, we wont be able to improve as much as the Pacers have been, with Hill, George and Lance vs Lowry and Ross and [nobody compared to Lance].
IMO we are still missing a post presence, 3 point shooting, and a 'catalyst' (for lack of better words) in order to improve as much as the Pacers have.
Yup, we have Derozan (on the MVP ladder) = to PG24
Kyle Lowry (the leader MVP)=Stephenson/Hill
Terrence Ross (Granger)
JV/Hayes/Hansborough (Hibbert/ Mahinmi)
Not saying the two teams/players are equivalent right now, but our team has the same potential that the Pacers players had some time ago.
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