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    The last couple of times I saw Teague he seemed somewhat passive as opposed to last year (contract year?) or is it missing Horford. He is certainly talented though but if these guys just turn off the switch after the contract this is problematic to say the least. Wish Lowry was on that contract
    Hahaha...yeah to that last part for sure

    I don't know. It could be the toll of playing without Horford, and being generally undermanned for much of the year. Could be because of teh coaching change having some kind of effect. Hard to say.

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    Dont think that is happening on the face of it.. Atlanta isnt giving up Teague and a 1st for Shumpert. These NY guys are desperate and floating all kinds of scenarios thru their reporter buds. The 1st coming back s/b unprotected imo plus Hardaway...bare minimum...the price has gone up for an allstar with Bird rights for a capped out desperate team wanting to retain Melo.
    Atlanta didn't draft Schroeder to keep Teague
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Also I feel like Teague is a pretty underrated PG. So yeah, Atlanta definitely needs another asset or two in this deal for things to make sense (which is kind of necessary anyway for salary purposes).
    I think Teague is an underrated PG too, but all season long it's been the same song: Atlanta wasn't happy about re-signing him and wants to move him if they can because they think they're overpaying him at $8m per for four years. Never underestimate the power of existent bias.

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    The Knicks are offering packages including Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Beno Udrih, sources say. They have been reluctant to include sharp-shooting rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. or a future first-round draft pick in any deal. One of those two pieces are believed to be a prerequisite for Toronto to consider giving up Lowry.

    "It comes down to, can they talk themselves into getting rid of a first-rounder or Hardaway Jr. for Lowry," one league source said.

    Recent reports have stated the Raptors in fact are no longer willing to deal Lowry, content to see how the rest of the season plays out. Lowry has been one of Toronto's best players, and dealing him would send a bad message to the fanbase.

    One scenario to keep an eye on here, though, is the possibilty of a three-team deal also involving the Hawks and point guard Jeff Teague. Atlanta has all of its first-round picks in the next four drafts and could conceivably send one to Toronto to satisfy the Raptors' demand for a future draft pick.

    League sources say a scenario in which Teague ends up in Toronto, Shumpert goes to Atlanta and Lowry winds up in New York has been discussed. Another scenario could have Teague ending up in New York. The conversations are believed to be preliminary and have not reached an advanced stage

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...espnapi_public

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    Shit.

    Missed this.

    Don't know how that could have happened.
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    What's Teagues contract situation if he ends up in TO? I always liked him

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    What's Teagues contract situation if he ends up in TO? I always liked him
    3 years at $8M per year remaining.

    What has to be remembered is his contract was matched by Atlanta (offered by Milwaukee). Therefore he can't be traded without his consent until one year later which is July 13th.
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    Quote wallz wrote: View Post
    What's Teagues contract situation if he ends up in TO? I always liked him
    3 years at $8M per year remaining.

    What has to be remembered is his contract was matched by Atlanta (offered by Milwaukee). Therefore he can't be traded without his consent until one year later which is July 13th.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    3 years at $8M per year remaining.

    What has to be remembered is his contract was matched by Atlanta (offered by Milwaukee). Therefore he can't be traded without his consent until one year later which is July 13th.
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    Atlanta didn't draft Schroeder to keep Teague
    I am missing some of your thoughts here. I can understand on some level giving up Teague for Shumpert....but to throw in a 1st as well? If you agree I think you overvalue the Shump. imo Schroeder is not ready to take over unless Atlanta wants to tank the season with that deal.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    I am missing some of your thoughts here. I can understand on some level giving up Teague for Shumpert....but to throw in a 1st as well? If you agree I think you overvalue the Shump. imo Schroeder is not ready to take over unless Atlanta wants to tank the season with that deal.
    Atlanta may be looking at improving their draft situation. It's tough to judge. They are undermanned and have just started struggling. Ferry may prefer jostling for the 10th pick or so rather than scraping by to get eliminated in the 1st round. Don't know. Really tough situation to judge I think.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Atlanta may be looking at improving their draft situation. It's tough to judge. They are undermanned and have just started struggling. Ferry may prefer jostling for the 10th pick or so rather than scraping by to get eliminated in the 1st round. Don't know. Really tough situation to judge I think.
    Possibly. I havent mentioned the money not matching either...which reminds me that Atlanta is not one of the richer franchises so maybe wanting to cut payroll. Anyway much spec based on musings by some NY writer!!

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    I am missing some of your thoughts here. I can understand on some level giving up Teague for Shumpert....but to throw in a 1st as well? If you agree I think you overvalue the Shump. imo Schroeder is not ready to take over unless Atlanta wants to tank the season with that deal.
    I dunno I'm just saying its clear Teague isn't in their long term plans. Depends how much they want to get out of his contract I guess.

    I'm thinking if ATL do include a draft pick it'll be protected.
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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    I am missing some of your thoughts here. I can understand on some level giving up Teague for Shumpert....but to throw in a 1st as well? If you agree I think you overvalue the Shump. imo Schroeder is not ready to take over unless Atlanta wants to tank the season with that deal.
    I've got a feeling Ferry is looking at the Hawks situation in the east with a similar eye as Masai.

    A trade with Shump coming back and trading Teague opens up another $6M in cap space for them this summer giving them enough to offer up to $14M assuming a $60M cap.
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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    I am missing some of your thoughts here. I can understand on some level giving up Teague for Shumpert....but to throw in a 1st as well? If you agree I think you overvalue the Shump. imo Schroeder is not ready to take over unless Atlanta wants to tank the season with that deal.
    I've got a feeling Ferry is looking at the Hawks situation in the east with a similar eye as Masai.

    A trade with Shump coming back and trading Teague opens up another $6M in cap space for them this summer giving them enough to offer up to $14M assuming a $60M cap.
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    I dunno I'm just saying its clear Teague isn't in their long term plans. Depends how much they want to get out of his contract I guess.

    I'm thinking if ATL do include a draft pick it'll be protected.
    It's just that I think Teague is a good asset to just "give away". That would be like less than 50c on the dollar (with a protected first). And Ferry thought enough of him to match an offer sheet last summer. Something smells funny....or they figure taking minimum return is trumped by a better position in the draft & cap space (as Matt above suggests). Could be.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I've got a feeling Ferry is looking at the Hawks situation in the east with a similar eye as Masai.

    A trade with Shump coming back and trading Teague opens up another $6M in cap space for them this summer giving them enough to offer up to $14M assuming a $60M cap.
    Is this one of those situations where if there's smoke, there's fire? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the franchise to ride Lowry as far as he can take the team (say all the way to the 2nd round) and then just flip him via sign and trade (with increased value in mind)? I just can't see Lowry leaving in the midst of this run. Also, as the PG, he's running the team. A new guy via a Jeff Teague coming in means he's going to have to re-learn things and build chemistry. Teams just don't do that with an eye towards the playoffs.
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    Playoffs aren't the goal tho
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    I say we just get a pick for lowry and immediately ship that and one our own future first rounds for Rondo

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...First-Rounders

    sure our floor would need some desperate spacing but with Ross and Patterson starting I think could manage with 2nd best (behind paul) passing guard in the league

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Is this one of those situations where if there's smoke, there's fire? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the franchise to ride Lowry as far as he can take the team (say all the way to the 2nd round) and then just flip him via sign and trade (with increased value in mind)? I just can't see Lowry leaving in the midst of this run. Also, as the PG, he's running the team. A new guy via a Jeff Teague coming in means he's going to have to re-learn things and build chemistry. Teams just don't do that with an eye towards the playoffs.
    I'd agree with you.

    Could be a lot of hyping with an eye to the off season too.

    Masai comes off sweet and mild mannered but I guarantee you he knows and plays the game with the best of them.
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