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    Default Should Casey pull the reins in on Derozan isolation's down the stretch?

    I agree with the old adage you want the ball in the hands of your best player down the stretch for the win or tie but honestly I think Lowry's our best player lol. All kidding aside I love Derozan but I've seen him botch the pressure shots so many times that it's becoming clockwork now. Do you guys think Casey should create a few alternative plays instead of going to the well and coming up empty so many times? I thought once we got rid of Rudy we'd see less of the late game iso's, don't get me wrong I love Demar throughout the game but it seems like once the big moment comes he just can't pull the trigger. Honestly I would have no problem if he was creating space, getting looks, and then missing but it seems to me like he can't even get to that point because he fumbles and stumbles with the ball half the time in those nitty gritty clutch possessions. Am I off here guys?
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    First of all: Lowry should always have the ball at the end of games

    Second of all: it wasn't THAT bad of a team. When the D sucked in he should've kicked it out. That's on Demar.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    First of all: Lowry should always have the ball at the end of games

    Second of all: it wasn't THAT bad of a team. When the D sucked in he should've kicked it out. That's on Demar.
    That is so true.

    Plays like this make me feel like you have to trade him while you can.

    I can't see him wanting back with this team. It is one thing not to have respect of the league but your own coach?

    And this is not a hate on DeRozan. It is reality. Lowry can get where he wants against 95% of the league. And who would have been on him down the stretch? DJ - small and weak. Hinrich - large and slow relative to Lowry. Plus Lowry is going to give you options besides himself.

    Whereas with DD he has one of best perimeter defenders in the league (Jimmy) on him.


    ANyways. A loss is a loss and Raps certainly didn't deserve this game.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is so true.

    Plays like this make me feel like you have to trade him while you can.

    I can't see him wanting back with this team. It is one thing not to have respect of the league but your own coach?

    And this is not a hate on DeRozan. It is reality. Lowry can get where he wants against 95% of the league. And who would have been on him down the stretch? DJ - small and weak. Hinrich - large and slow relative to Lowry. Plus Lowry is going to give you options besides himself.

    Whereas with DD he has one of best perimeter defenders in the league (Jimmy) on him.


    ANyways. A loss is a loss and Raps certainly didn't deserve this game.

    Or: Lowry stays, and coach is not asked back.

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    By team I mean play.

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    I don't think Demar should never shoot the ball in the clutch - he has hit big shots before - but it shouldn't be left up to him to create off the bounce against a solid defender.

    Why not hit him off a screen? There was over ten seconds on the clock, enough time to get a bit of motion before the shot. Was his game-winner against Orlando a straight isolation? Nope. Movement leading to a quick two dribbles and a shot.

    Both him and Lowry can be viable options when we need a bucket, just need to be used the right way.

    I would have gone with Lowry tonight though. Jimmy Butler is a fantastic defender. Why go at him when Lowry had the better matchup?

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    to add more to it.. we are a playoff team this year whether we deserve it or by default.. and those games almost always come down to the last min and we need someone to create shots for themselves down the stretch when the game is on the line... Whether Derozan is going to be that player or not is not a concern at this point.. i hope he does but we need someone else NOW! and we have 15 hours left for it... i hope we dont salvage our playoff berth cuz Demar is still "learning" to be clutch.

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    Lol who do you think is saying DD should iso at the end of games? It's not like Casey's choosing a play and DD's going nah, I got this... I doubt he'll stop calling for DD iso's.

    I agree he should though. So many better plays. be creative.
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    I think Demar needs to use either a step back jumper (Nowitzki) or a fade away jumper (Kobe). He's so quick and much more explosive than those two legends at this point in his career so he needs to utilize a tool to create separation. It seems like he rushes head first into the defender and then just puts up a prayer or hopes for a call. Hopefully he figures something out sooner than later because he can't just keep doing the same old thing over and over expecting different results.

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    Quote Raps76 wrote: View Post
    I think Demar needs to use either a step back jumper (Nowitzki) or a fade away jumper (Kobe). He's so quick and much more explosive than those two legends at this point in his career so he needs to utilize a tool to create separation. It seems like he rushes head first into the defender and then just puts up a prayer or hopes for a call. Hopefully he figures something out sooner than later because he can't just keep doing the same old thing over and over expecting different results.
    Develop a hesitation dribble. That'll put the defender off balance and get him a better mid-range look (where's he's absolutely elite) and/or a better look at the rim
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    Quote Raps76 wrote: View Post
    I think Demar needs to use either a step back jumper (Nowitzki) or a fade away jumper (Kobe). He's so quick and much more explosive than those two legends at this point in his career so he needs to utilize a tool to create separation. It seems like he rushes head first into the defender and then just puts up a prayer or hopes for a call. Hopefully he figures something out sooner than later because he can't just keep doing the same old thing over and over expecting different results.
    No, he's tried fadeaways in the clutch and it's always really bad. And ya he needs to realize that refs are not going to call a foul at the end of the game (something which I agree with), so doing what you did for the first 47 minutes is no longer going to work, you can't get bailed out.

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    I would personally prefer to give the final possession to Lowry. His IQ is probably the strongest on the team and he could decide if it would be better to pass the ball (like he did to 2Pat on the game winner against Brooklyn) or to take it himself. DD however needs to learn to make those shots if he ever wants to maintain his star status in the league. Stars make those clutch shots. It's one of the reasons why Gay got a max contract.

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    Of Course Casey should be doing more, it's just embarrassing offense. Even teams with the absolute best iso closers run more complex stuff than the raptors do. Infact, most of my criticisms of DeRozan's overall game are really Caseys fault for not putting him in the best position possible to succeed.

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    Always. ISO isn't a good play unless you have a great scorer like Durant and even then, ISO isn't the best call.

    ISO calls allow the defence to be set and predict the action. They know Demar's game; what he can and can't do and they'll play him away from his strengths. Put the defence on its heels with a set play, preferably one of ten or so the team has developed over the season without using very often (to limit film room scouting benefits to the D).

    I'd like to see Lowry with the ball on a pick and roll with weakside cutters/screens. Plop Novak in the corner to stretch the D. Let Lowry read the defence and make the right call.

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    I don't know why Casey continues to give it to DeMar. He shoots 30% in the final 3 minutes of games decided by 5 points or less. The worst part about that is that doesn't account for the fact that his lack of handles always seem to screw him into a turnover. Lowry should be taking the last shot or atleast given a chance to prove he can or can't. Demar isn't even a very good ISO player regularly so you think a play where the ball atleast moves would be drawn up. Hopefully this is addressed before the playoffs it affects the standings.

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    Casey certainly could have been more creative on that last play, especially with the amount of time on the clock. DeMar shouldn't have been looking to draw a foul in that situation though with the game on the line, and could have looked to penetrate to set one of his teammates up knowing he had a really good defender on him. Ceez was on the money and the ball should have been in Lowry's hands. He's much more capable of making those decisions and was had an advantage over either of the PG's defending him.

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    You guys are right. The most disturbing thing is they're coming out of a timeout and had 10+ seconds, that's an eternity and so many options!

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    I think Demar gets rattled pretty easily and just doesn't have the right stuff to be an end-of-game clutch player. In the recent game against New Orleans, he launched an airball, and then his next three shots were airballs or nearly so as well. He's a good player, yes, but I'd say he is a bit sensitive (you can see this in his interviews; I mean sensitive in a "nice guy" sort of way) and thus his effectiveness can be reduced a lot by pressure, from the situation or from himself.

    I think Casey should try to cultivate Ross as a closer. He seems to have nerves of steel, and probably a better handle than Demar - potentially at least, if not already. (I laughed out loud when I heard Demar had entered the skills contest.)

    And, as most everyone said already, why not let Lowry take control? If I were Casey, in a similar situation, I'd have Lowry get the ball with Ross, Novak, Amir and Demar on the floor. Maybe Patterson instead of Novak unless we need a three. Then, I would have Ross as the main option most of the time, with Lowry allowed to go himself if a lane or shot opens, or call Amir out for a screen if he wants. Write the play for Demar as main option just some of the time. But Lowry's "quarterbacking" skills shouldn't be wasted. Demar has never, ever shown himself to be a good percentage converter in situations like this. He's probably wishing it wouldn't keep happening to him.

    Maybe M.U. asked for it because he's shopping Demar? More likely just more of Casey's simplistic end-of-game thinking.

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    It's called player development fellas. Obviously Dd has more of certain future on this team than Lowry. By Casey putting him in these situations now it prepares him for the future. Casey has said numerous times that development is still one of the priorities.


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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    It's called player development fellas. Obviously Dd has more of certain future on this team than Lowry. By Casey putting him in these situations now it prepares him for the future. Casey has said numerous times that development is still one of the priorities.


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