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Thread: The Unofficial Buyout/Late-Season Signing Thread

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Philly basically traded Turner for a second rounder. Turner and Allen were both expiring as well (they could have just renounced their rights). It was really a bad trade for them. A 2nd rounder from Indiana? Might have just kept Turner. I'm sure he could have been worth something in a s&t in the off season.

    I guess they just really wanted to tank hard.
    This confuses the hell out of me too. If they wanted a 2nd rounder, I feel like Atlanta or someone else could have given them a better one for Turner. They swapped an expiring young RFA for an expiring chronically injured UFA. Doesn't really make sense to me from Philly's end.

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    I don't think Philly wanted to keep Turner....and knew they weren't going to resign him anyways in the off season...so they got what they could for him.

    Other GMs knew this and probably gave Philly a ton of low ball offers and Indiana's was the best option for them....

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    I think that trade was more about draft positioning this year than anything else. Taking on the extra $4mil in salary also helps them get above the minimum payroll in the NBA, without taking on any additional future salary.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Rumours flying that the Sixers are talking with Danny Granger about a buyout.
    Would love for him to come here. He's not what he used to be, but he still has game. But I think he would sign with the Heat/Spurs/OKC as he is pissed that Indy traded him to Philly.

    Still need a legit backup centre though. Chuck Hayes it too short. Jason Collins?

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Philly basically traded Turner for a second rounder. Turner and Allen were both expiring as well (they could have just renounced their rights). It was really a bad trade for them. A 2nd rounder from Indiana? Might have just kept Turner. I'm sure he could have been worth something in a s&t in the off season.
    He was worth a second-rounder during the season so that's doubtful. Sign-and-trades are, historically, lousy to return as compared to actual trades.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    He was worth a second-rounder during the season so that's doubtful. Sign-and-trades are, historically, lousy to return as compared to actual trades.
    Yeah but he was also an RFA. So if a team wanted him bad enough, Philly could have matched. So they had leverage in negotiations. Either way this was a way to get above the salary floor, get worse immediately (to help their tank position) and still maintain flexibility. I guess technically it worked out for them. Just think that they could have gotten way more than the #59th pick from the draft. I mean wouldn't you rather have Turner than Salmons? Could have given them OKC's pick as well. I just think Turner's value in the summer would be higher than some Euro-stash.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Either way this was a way to get above the salary floor, get worse immediately (to help their tank position) and still maintain flexibility. I guess technically it worked out for them.
    Exactly what I said above..

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Yeah but he was also an RFA. So if a team wanted him bad enough, Philly could have matched. So they had leverage in negotiations. Either way this was a way to get above the salary floor, get worse immediately (to help their tank position) and still maintain flexibility. I guess technically it worked out for them. Just think that they could have gotten way more than the #59th pick from the draft. I mean wouldn't you rather have Turner than Salmons? Could have given them OKC's pick as well. I just think Turner's value in the summer would be higher than some Euro-stash.
    Salmons is a much better defender and hits the 3. The answer to your question is not as simple as raw numbers would suggest. The market has said that Turner is only worth a second rounder. Turner may have more future potential, but this deal tells me Philly knew him well enough they probably would not have matched if he would have gotten any decent RFA offer.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    There are a lot of useful guys that will be available. I really hope that De Colo was a prelude to cutting Stone and adding a Kaman or the like. We are way too small for the playoffs.
    I read somewhere that there were teams kicking tires with Stone and Buycks. Masai essentially turned away all offers. As for some reinforcements, I'm kinda disappointed that we didn't go after Kaman. I'm afraid that when JV falters in the playoffs and the opposition goes big that we don't have anyone to back him up properly. Hayes is too short and the team as it is getting killed in rebounds. The only thing I could think of is that in the playoffs, perhaps teams would go small more so than big to pick up the pace of an otherwise grinding playoff basketball.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Philly basically traded Turner for a second rounder. Turner and Allen were both expiring as well (they could have just renounced their rights). It was really a bad trade for them. A 2nd rounder from Indiana? Might have just kept Turner. I'm sure he could have been worth something in a s&t in the off season.

    I guess they just really wanted to tank hard.
    This is such a grab for Indiana that should make the other GM's like Masai cry foul. Evan Turner is primed to replace Stephenson and I really don't think that they can afford LS at 10 - 12 / year. This trade is fantastic for Indiana in more ways than one.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    This is such a grab for Indiana that should make the other GM's like Masai cry foul. Evan Turner is primed to replace Stephenson and I really don't think that they can afford LS at 10 - 12 / year. This trade is fantastic for Indiana in more ways than one.
    Ya it's crazy when the rich just have gifts like that thrown into their laps.


    I don't see any of the buyout guys coming here, I think if you're getting paid double and you know you'll be coming off the bench you're going somewhere that has a very legit chance of winning it all (Heat, Clippers, Spurs, OKC, etc.). But I still don't see a point in having 5 PG on the roster, someone needs to be let go or sent down.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Ya it's crazy when the rich just have gifts like that thrown into their laps.


    I don't see any of the buyout guys coming here, I think if you're getting paid double and you know you'll be coming off the bench you're going somewhere that has a very legit chance of winning it all (Heat, Clippers, Spurs, OKC, etc.). But I still don't see a point in having 5 PG on the roster, someone needs to be let go or sent down.
    If the buyout is in the works, I don't see Granger coming in for a vet minimum (pro-rated). Even if he does, it disrupts the chemistry of the team as it pertains to the Ross / Salmons dynamics. I think Ross will shine defensively in the playoffs where it all matters (here's hoping).
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    If the buyout is in the works, I don't see Granger coming in for a vet minimum (pro-rated). Even if he does, it disrupts the chemistry of the team as it pertains to the Ross / Salmons dynamics. I think Ross will shine defensively in the playoffs where it all matters (here's hoping).
    Granger is not coming here, that's guaranteed. The guy will get offers from teams like the Heat and the Clippers and possibly Thunder and Grizzlies. I really want him to go the Heat to spite the Pacers.

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    For the remainder of the season this is what we should do

    Sign both Earl Clark and Reggie Evans for the remainder of the season, waive Bycks and we have a roster of

    Lowry/Vazquez/Stone
    DeRozan/Salmons/Colo
    Ross/Clark/Fields
    Amir/2Pat/Novak
    Val/R.Evans/Hayes

    E.Clark will find his rotation as our 6th or 7th man and when playoff comes around, he will contribute right away if one of DeRozan or Ross is injured. I like Clark's game when he played for the Lakers, a stretch 4 but a natural at the 3 position, able to guard smaller 3 in this league not named LBJ, P.George, or Melo. I hope R.Evans gets waived by the Kings since they have Quincy Acy, let's grab him and be our backup C behind Val, he brings interior D and mental toughness for the Raptors consider he once played for us and reached his career high in rebounds and points

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    I guess you didn't watch Clark after that very short stretch with the Lakers, it hasn't been pretty. He is not a sixth/seventh man...especially when we have Patterson..

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    And I don't think the Kings waive Evans. Evans isn't generally a complainer and they may want his grit around the team.

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    Also I don't see why anyone would want Evans on this team. We don't lack rebounding. We have Tyler (as a banger). Our bigs are generally not soft. And all our bigs are far more useful offensively than Evans ever could hope to be...

    Evans is a natural PF, too small to play C, and ok, but nothing special as a defender.

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    Quote tenforthewin wrote: View Post
    For the remainder of the season this is what we should do

    Sign both Earl Clark and Reggie Evans for the remainder of the season, waive Bycks and we have a roster of

    Lowry/Vazquez/Stone
    DeRozan/Salmons/Colo
    Ross/Clark/Fields
    Amir/2Pat/Novak
    Val/R.Evans/Hayes

    E.Clark will find his rotation as our 6th or 7th man and when playoff comes around, he will contribute right away if one of DeRozan or Ross is injured. I like Clark's game when he played for the Lakers, a stretch 4 but a natural at the 3 position, able to guard smaller 3 in this league not named LBJ, P.George, or Melo. I hope R.Evans gets waived by the Kings since they have Quincy Acy, let's grab him and be our backup C behind Val, he brings interior D and mental toughness for the Raptors consider he once played for us and reached his career high in rebounds and points
    Wow. I don't even know where to start.

    Sign Clark so he can be our 6th or 7th man? Earl Clark is garbage. Guy couldn't even get any playing time in Cleveland!!

    And oh, Chuck Hayes > Reggie Evans. Your description of Evans actually fits Hayes more.
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    In fairness to Clark, he was a 4 being played as a 3 in Cleveland and his game suffered for it. He's not a bad bench guy at all, but we don't need another 3/4 combo forward, we're good there.

    Metta is apparently trying to get a buyout from New York and he would be a great backup 3 for us, even at this point in his career.

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    Metta. World. Peace.
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