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    Default Is this season a success if we make the play offs?

    Was wondering what the hard core fans think about this. We are most likely going to make the play offs this year so regardless of what happens in the next 20+ games, is this season a successful one for MU and his team ?

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    Yes

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    Financially yeah. They are gonna make a lot of money off of playoffs.

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    The primary goals before the season were:

    1/ Move Bargs
    2/ See if Gay and DD work well together, if not, move one
    3/ Develop Ross and Val

    I'd say the season is already a success. Playoffs is a bonus.

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    yeaa!!

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    Coming into this season, a realistic expectation was 7th seed (at best) to 10th seed (at worst).
    We exceeded our own expectations and have a pretty financially flexible roster that has many oppourtunities now.
    Our players are basically all trade-able and are fairly young.

    We did some addition by subtraction (Kleiza, Bargnani, Gay, Anderson, Lucas)
    We don't have any locker room cancers
    We got a couple of young pieces that we can build upon for the future (Derozan, Patterson, JV, Ross)

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    Like blackjitsu & Masai said, don't judge the season in wins or playoffs, we still only have a .545 winning %

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    I will judge the success of this season based on what happens with Kyle Lowry.

    If he leaves, we basically squandered a great opportunity to add a great young prospect in the draft to Val and Ross while also giving them much more minutes to develop.

    Each season is either a step towards winning a championship or a step away (and remaining in place is a step away given the opportunity cost).

    If Lowry walks, playoffs won't mean a thing because he was the biggest factor in getting us there. And all this "patience, Masai is evaluating" will be revealed as fatal indecisiveness.

    I trust the guy but man is he walking the razor's edge.

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    I'll be the downer here and say that simply making the playoffs does not make this a successful season from a long-term standpoint. People can talk about "winning culture" all they like, but the important part of that phrase is "winning" - all of the important development goals could have been reached in a tank season as well, so really, all we're looking at is "how to best benefit the team going forward."

    In a playoffs season where we don't have a serious chance of winning it all - and despite whatever the current Hollinger odds are, we don't, because we have to beat the Heat, the Pacers and the best team out of the west (probably the Thunder) and that will be basically impossible, like the 2004 Pistons season but squared in terms of improbability - then the goal is to make us more attractive as a destination to players who will want to be traded here or sign here. We will not manage that with a first-round exit: that will confirm to the league that we were just another fluke of a historically bad Eastern Conference.

    In other words: we need to make second round. And we need to make at least a good showing against the Pacers or Heat, whoever we end up facing in the second round (probably the Heat).

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    This is a different team now than what we started the season with. I don't see why expectations shouldn't change. While at the beginning of the season I might have said that playoffs alone would be a successful season, based on the current group and the state of the eastern conference, I would say that getting to the second round should be the measure for on-court success.

    Roster/asset-wise, yes this season is already a big success (although depending on Lowry's offseason, it's not a success that's carved in stone yet). Players are showing enormous development in terms of performance, leadership, and chemistry. Cap flexibility has been created (not necessarily for this offseason but for 2015).
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    Is this thread an excuse for people to drive their tanks in and bitch and moan about not getting a top five draft pick?
    The name's Bond, James Bond.

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    For me, the team is already a success (pre-playoffs). No one expected this. And moving forward, even if Lowry re-signs and Casey comes back, I feel they can sustain this provided they don't tune out Casey and the coaching staff. Ross and Valanciunas as part of the starting 5 is proof that they are already successful as a team.
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    Yes, so long as the Raptors also win the Atlantic Division and finish with a winning record. So far, so good.

    In terms of successful player development, this has been a very good season! It will be an excellent season in that regard if they make the playoffs, because that is where the game gets tough: forty-eight minutes of tough. None of this "turn it on in the fourth quarter" business you often see from teams that are coasting.

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    Quote RaptorsFohEva wrote: View Post
    Is this thread an excuse for people to drive their tanks in and bitch and moan about not getting a top five draft pick?
    Nope but good way to divert the thread!

    Haven't you heard? Tanks are rusting on the beach. Might be a new order for 2015 though lol
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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    The primary goals before the season were:

    1/ Move Bargs
    2/ See if Gay and DD work well together, if not, move one
    3/ Develop Ross and Val

    I'd say the season is already a success. Playoffs is a bonus.
    If these were the goals, then I agree this is successful season and confirms why MU did not make a move to improve the team further for the play offs.

    However, I wonder why collecting more assets was not one of the primary goals for this season as well ??

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    Not so much about whether we make the playoffs making us a success to me. It's a nice bonus for sure though with everyone getting a taste of what it takes to win, and how to do it.

    I think the biggest success this season is the imprint Lowry has had on Ross and Val, how he has taught them how to conduct themselves on the court and be winners. This can't go understated IMO.

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    Quote 2kfeen wrote: View Post
    Coming into this season, a realistic expectation was 7th seed (at best) to 10th seed (at worst).
    We exceeded our own expectations and have a pretty financially flexible roster that has many oppourtunities now.
    Our players are basically all trade-able and are fairly young.
    Great point about the expectation at the beginning of the season. That being said, doesn't the quality of the east cast a shadow on our success and exceeding expectations.

    Lets look at East right now:
    The 5 seed in east has a LOOSING record of of 26-28 !!! I wonder what was the record of the fifth seed in east last season at this time ?

    Then looking at west, with our record we would be standing at 10th spot.

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    I wish i had add the next questions to my original post and knew what you guys thought about them.

    1) if this season is already success, then what is your expectation for this team for the next season ?

    2) Do we need to get passed the 1st round in the play offs next season to consider it success or MU can relax about seriously competing for next season ?

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    If these were the goals, then I agree this is successful season and confirms why MU did not make a move to improve the team further for the play offs.

    However, I wonder why collecting more assets was not one of the primary goals for this season as well
    ??
    Because it would still be a trade-off of some kind. I'm sure Masai would've loved to collect more assets, but the price has to be right.

    I mean, if no one was willing to meet his asking price for Lowry, why trade him for lesser assets? Have to balance between success/development this season and asset accumulation. You sacrifice too much on the court AND fail to get back desired assets and you could do a bad job of both.

    It is part of the difficulty in tanking. If Masai traded Lowry to "tank", and thus was willing to get less return than he'd hope for in terms assets for him (say just a 2nd rd pick and equal cap relief to Lowry), then we better damn get a very high pick, otherwise it's a terrible trade-off....But if you don't fill that PG spot adequately, are you also wasting a season of development with no one to get the ball to our other players? And if you do fill that spot (even with a Vasquez), you might end up having traded away Lowry for lesser assets and failing to climb the "tank" standings in a way that would've made it worthwhile....

    I think MU's approach the whole time has been to balance as best he can maximizing development while also maximizing value of his assets. The on-court result is a team with lots of flexibility moving forward, and very likely to make the playoffs this year. That may not be a home-run season in terms of winning the lottery or becoming a contender (2 extremes), but it might be a solid triple (in the more desirable, winning part of "the middle" with ample options moving forward, and a pretty successful season of development).

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Not so much about whether we make the playoffs making us a success to me. It's a nice bonus for sure though with everyone getting a taste of what it takes to win, and how to do it.

    I think the biggest success this season is the imprint Lowry has had on Ross and Val, how he has taught them how to conduct themselves on the court and be winners. This can't go understated IMO.
    Ummm sorry dude, but I'm pretty sure it was Austin Daye that made that impact and taught them all how to compete hard, and win.

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