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    Default Article on the front page:Ujiriís Quiet Deadline All About The Future

    What did you guys all think about this article ?

    Ujiri’s Quiet Deadline All About The Future
    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/...adline-future/

    Tim Chisholm is one of my favourite writers for Raptors ... It seems like people on the front page did not like what he said but I think he is speaking the truth and what MU did and is doing and the direction of the team.
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    I thought it made sense. Seemed well reasoned and logical. And was along the lines of what I thought

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    What did you guys all think about this article ?

    Ujiriís Quiet Deadline All About The Future

    Tim Chisholm is one of my favourite writers for Raptors ... It seems like people on the front page did not like what he said but I think he is speaking the truth and what MU did and is doing and the direction of the team.
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    Myself and all the other lazy bastards out there thank you very much.

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    Raptorsrepublic.com lol. The latest article

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    Raptorsrepublic.com lol. The latest article
    Sounds like a joke of a website.

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    Sounds like a joke of a website.
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    What did you guys all think about this article ?

    Ujiriís Quiet Deadline All About The Future
    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/...adline-future/

    Tim Chisholm is one of my favourite writers for Raptors ... It seems like people on the front page did not like what he said but I think he is speaking the truth and what MU did and is doing and the direction of the team.
    You know it makes sense but Masai needs to secure a transcendent talent while keeping our young core together (Lowry, DD, TRoss, JV) instead of sacrificing it. I think if we have a good season in which we make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs he shouldn't be in a rush to do anything in the summer besides re-signing Lowry and Patterson (possibly Vasquez too) and acquiring a decent backup C & SG.

    Why not let it ride next season and see if we can carry our momentum over with roughly the same core? IMO he should make his big move at the trade deadline when his true flexibility kicks in, he'll have Fields, Hayes, Amir, and Hansborough on expiring contracts plus draft picks to dangle. He could construct a number of different packages to secure a "transcendent talent". I personally think he should target a PF, I love Amir to death but I'm not sure how long his body's gonna hold up and if we can upgrade that position to a true all-star then why not..

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    I expect big things from MU at the draft and/or during the offseason. I still believe that the team will look significantly different come the start of next season. Dumping Bargnani and Gay was not the end of the house-cleaning from the BC era, only the beginning. The results this season are meaningless as far as MU & TL are concerned; great for marketing and to win back the fair-weather fans, but only the start of a true rebuilding/retooling process. Their goal is to bring a championship to Toronto, which this core will never do. Enjoy the ride this season, but don't buy a personalized jersey.

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    Record since Rudy Gay trade: 25-13, thats .657!!!!

    Thats with 21 and 23 year old sophomores and our star is only 24. We have a secondary (arguably more deserved) allstar in Kyle Lowry.

    I think the conversation should be about surrounding our current stars with the right pieces so that when they reach their primes, they will be able to be similar to Indianas position this season (except in my opinion, we have more potential).

    Imagine Ross turning a corner like Stephenson, Derozan maturing like PG, Val (in my opinion) can be better than Hibbert, then we have Lowry who is much better than the Pacers current point guard.

    If our team defence becomes refined (which if you keep the team together, they will learn to limit mistakes), then there is really no telling how good this team can be.
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    Record since Rudy Gay trade: 25-13, thats .657!!!!

    Thats with 21 and 23 year old sophomores and our star is only 24. We have a secondary (arguably more deserved) allstar in Kyle Lowry.

    I think the conversation should be about surrounding our current stars with the right pieces so that when they reach their primes, they will be able to be similar to Indianas position this season (except in my opinion, we have more potential).

    Imagine Ross turning a corner like Stephenson, Derozan maturing like PG, Val (in my opinion) can be better than Hibbert, then we have Lowry who is much better than the Pacers current point guard.

    If our team defence becomes refined (which if you keep the team together, they will learn to limit mistakes), then there is really no telling how good this team can be.
    25-13 looks great on paper yet we're nowhere near pacers, Miami, clippers, spurs, in terms of talent. I don't think this teams core is good enough to build around.

    Kyle Lowry is going to be 28 in a few weeks. For a team that's going to need several more years of refinement, is this something to worry about?

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    25-13 looks great on paper yet we're nowhere near pacers, Miami, clippers, spurs, in terms of talent. I don't think this teams core is good enough to build around.

    Kyle Lowry is going to be 28 in a few weeks. For a team that's going to need several more years of refinement, is this something to worry about?
    A lot PG's don't really hit their stride until their mid-late 20's so I think Lowry's got at least another 5yrs in him. That is plenty of time for this young core to hit their prime and come around especially with the addition of another all-star.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    25-13 looks great on paper yet we're nowhere near pacers, Miami, clippers, spurs, in terms of talent. I don't think this teams core is good enough to build around.

    Kyle Lowry is going to be 28 in a few weeks. For a team that's going to need several more years of refinement, is this something to worry about?
    Well im not worried about Kyle turning 28 soon because he dosent rely on his athletic ability to be effective. He could play the same way till at least his mid to early 30's
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    Record since Rudy Gay trade: 25-13, thats .657!!!!

    Thats with 21 and 23 year old sophomores and our star is only 24. We have a secondary (arguably more deserved) allstar in Kyle Lowry.

    I think the conversation should be about surrounding our current stars with the right pieces so that when they reach their primes, they will be able to be similar to Indianas position this season (except in my opinion, we have more potential).

    Imagine Ross turning a corner like Stephenson, Derozan maturing like PG, Val (in my opinion) can be better than Hibbert, then we have Lowry who is much better than the Pacers current point guard.

    If our team defence becomes refined (which if you keep the team together, they will learn to limit mistakes), then there is really no telling how good this team can be.
    Let's look at this realistically. Ross pulling a Lance (without the crazy/awesome personality?) is doable. DD? Highly unlikely. PG has been in the league for less time and has played elite defense during his rise. DD has never played elite defense. I don't think DD's ceiling is a top-5 talent building block. And Val is a possibility, but currently he's behind Hibbert's development curve. Hibbert's PPG, BPG, PER were all higher in his second year. Val isn't far behind, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he becomes as good. It is possible though. And yes lowry is better than hill, but West is also a former all-star at the 4.

    I just don't see us having that one, amazing piece that makes up championship caliber teams yet. Val could be the next PG, or LJ, or AD, but I'm not certain he could be yet. And if he's not, we're the mid to late 2000's atlanta hawks.
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    Let's look at this realistically. Ross pulling a Lance (without the crazy/awesome personality?) is doable. DD? Highly unlikely. PG has been in the league for less time and has played elite defense during his rise. DD has never played elite defense. I don't think DD's ceiling is a top-5 talent building block. And Val is a possibility, but currently he's behind Hibbert's development curve. Hibbert's PPG, BPG, PER were all higher in his second year. Val isn't far behind, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he becomes as good. It is possible though. And yes lowry is better than hill, but West is also a former all-star at the 4.

    I just don't see us having that one, amazing piece that makes up championship caliber teams yet. Val could be the next PG, or LJ, or AD, but I'm not certain he could be yet. And if he's not, we're the mid to late 2000's atlanta hawks.
    Val is younger NOW, then Hibbert was in his rookie season.
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    Val is younger NOW, then Hibbert was in his rookie season.
    Jonas was also supposed to be more ready now than Hibbert was due to playing in the pros over in Europe.

    I'm not saying he's far behind, or that it's impossible. Just that as is stands, second season to second season, JV is behind
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    Jonas was also supposed to be more ready now than Hibbert was due to playing in the pros over in Europe.

    I'm not saying he's far behind, or that it's impossible. Just that as is stands, second season to second season, JV is behind
    Look at Hibberts stats. Look at Vals stats. Val is 21, Hibbert was a rookie at 22. Val's trajectory is way beyond Hibberts currently. Defensively as well, it took Hibbert a while before learning not to foul and going straight up. I see that ability in Jonas, and at 21, it makes sense that he gets frustrated and makes a ton of silly fouls now. Jonas at 27 though will be a beast.
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    Ill make it easy:

    Player A: 27.6 MPG - 50.8% FG - 73.5% FT - 8.6 RPG (2.9 ORPG) - 1.8 TO - 1.0 BPG - 3.2 PF - 10.5 PPG - 21 Yearsold

    Player B: 30.4 MPG - 45.7% FG - 75.4% FT - 7.6 RPG (2.9 ORPG) - 1.9 TO - 2.5 BPG - 3.3 PF - 11.5 PPG - 27 Yearsold

    Which player do you think will turn out better?
    A = Val
    B = Hibbert
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    Jonas was also supposed to be more ready now than Hibbert was due to playing in the pros over in Europe.

    I'm not saying he's far behind, or that it's impossible. Just that as is stands, second season to second season, JV is behind
    I don't know how this misconception has been so persistent. He was not supposed to be more "ready", he was supposed to be more mature as a professional. He was always supposed to be raw as a player, as even physically he was not (and is not) finished maturing. It was more about mentality/character issues like approach, coachability, discipline, etc...And Jonas still excels in all those areas. He doesn't care about playing time, touches, being the star or franchise player, etc...he just cares about the wictories.

    This is not the norm in all young players. Actually from any part of the world. I think Jonas benefited greatly from never being a local 'star' type of player (even with all the hype he had the last few years in Lithuania). As soon as he turned pro even in Lithuania, he was essentially a role player, and didn't have trouble embracing that. Lots of kids fall into this trap on both sides of the ocean. And whatever the reason, be it they don't put in the work, or don't adopt the right approach, or refuse to accept teaching from their coach, etc...They just never become all they could be as NBA players.

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