Then, all these newly minted GM wannabe, championship franchise building experts are going to be saying... "oh, no... what we really meant was that you need a Generational Talent, like Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe or Garnett to get it done, and Wiggins is merely transcendent. We need Wiggins and that other guy."
if we trade for an elite talent, that elite player will lose his legs in a tragic boating accident and we will cry bitter bitter tears
I love what Houston's done.
Of course the circumstances are not repeatable, but the principles are there. Instead of buying high on an established star with half his prime (or more) behind him, they bought fairly low from a cheap ass team on a player on the brink of stardom. Nobody knew if Harden would become the player he has as a #1 guy, but the buying price was fine either way.
As Matt said, Houston kept so many young assets because their pantry was full of young assets and solid contracts. They had no problem making space to sign Dwight, and they've even had enough of a surplus of talent and flexibility to have Asik fall off a cliff this season and to overpay Lin, yet still be gearing up for championship-contender status here in the second half of the season. 3/4 of their roster is 23-25 years old, too.
That's all MU has to do - keep building, keep adding young talent, keep the picks and prospects, and "swing for the fences" (or whatever) when the right transaction is there. Don't do it just for the sake of doing it - a lot of GM's predetermine to acquire talent within a time-frame or offseason, and do it even if the price is too high. When you've got youth, a currently competitive team, and a team-friendly cap situation, you can be patient. Some GM out there is going to blink first and sell low, or a disgruntled player is going to start asking out of a crappy situation.
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But in a nutshell they were .500 or better from 2010, 2011, and 2012 but missed playoffs in tough west.
They drafted at 14, 14, and 12 but they had other picks.
Houston draft history: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...HOU/draft.html
Too bad he likes making deals so much. He had Mirotic and sent him to Chicago for a later pick, a 2nd round pick, and cash. Mirotic with Houston's current lineup would be sick.
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I think it will be a lot harder these days to get three picks in a lottery if you are a .500 team. Most teams struggle to give up first rounders, and when they do they add protections.
Not too many Colangelo's in the system anymore.
Having said that, I'm not 100% sold on Dwight-Harden as a championship core.
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They are all young guys who play within a system and who play for each other. You can't discredit the passion or heart in such a team, the same one which gave OKC a scare in the first round last year. This year they are bound to have a solid postseason (I have no idea what will happen in the West since all of the top 8 teams are strong), and they can continue to build around a core of Harden, Howard, Parsons, Beverely, and co.
I love the Rockets/Pacers/Spurs analogy to the Raptor's situation because like those teams, we are seeing a young core of selfless individuals winning games right now. This season we have the potential to play in the second round of the playoffs, and if Masaii handles this situation correctly, we can continue to grow and eventually be on a higher level 5 years from now; the same one the Spurs, Pacers, and Rockets are on today, and that is a championship contender level.
Great post btw Matt, I agree with you fully.
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Pacers is a different story. They are run by one of the greatest Basketball mind of past 3 decades. Getting PG that late in draft and getting guys like Stevenson in 2nd round and ... That takes real talent.
Does MU have such a talent ? Looking at Denver I don't know if the answer is yes or no.
Rockets is a very interesting case for sure. How they were able to compete but at the same time, move some of their talents and get assets ( picks and ...) it is simply amazing.
We will see what MU will do with Novak, Vas.2Pat and other contracts that he has in hand this summer.
Without making a move up in the 2014 draft I believe the Raptors will be a middling team for the next 4 years. If the goal is to win a championship they should trade a player (I don't care who) and their 2014 first round pick to get Wiggins. With three first round pick in 2015 and 2016, they could contend by 2018.
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As for MU- Faried at 22nd was a great pick (how amazingly deep does that draft look now btw? Irving, Thompson, JV, Knight, Walker, Thompson, Morris twins, Leonard, Vucevic, Shump, Harris, Mirotic, Butler, Singler, Parsons, Isiah Thomas) and Fournier was a meh pick at 20 whose giving decent production in limited minutes this year. Quincy Miller hasn't done much, but even 4.6 and 2.7 in 12 minutes isn't bad for a second round pick. So he's got one great pick and two average ones.
Oh and I completely didn't notice he signed Julyan Stone in denver too
That said, the Jays were able to lure free agents north of the border, so it's not an impossible task.
Got to make sure the pieces fit if you do, Rudy Gay was considered an elite talent when the Raptors got him and it didn`t work out in the end.
The bold sections are along my thoughts with this thread. A good player on a rookie deal is an incredible value and you retain Bird Rights. You don't want to give up all those guys to land a star. Unrestricted free agency is the way to land a star without losing any assets - other than cap space. When you are trying to do that every city has challenges, even Phoenix with their weather. I think for Toronto it is going to come down to who is in charge and the sales job they do. However if a strong roster is not already in place without potential to get better organically or otherwise, fergettaboutit.“The best value in the NBA, in the new [collective bargaining agreement], is a really good player on a rookie-scale contract,” McDonough said. “When we won the championship in Boston in 2008, we had Rajon [Rondo] on his rookie-scale contract. We had Glen Davis, who played a big role for us. Leon Powe played a good-sized role for us. Kendrick Perkins had re-signed and had a good number, so that was important.”
The Phoenix equivalent of those players are Dragic, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, EricBledsoe, Miles Plumlee, and ex-Celtic Gerald Green. McDonough made the astute hire of former Suns and Jazz standout Jeff Hornacek as coach, although the two had never met before the interview process. Hornacek has made the most of his first NBA head coaching job, galvanizing a bunch of youngsters and journeymen.
“The players are like sponges,” Hornacek said. “They continually ask questions. For coaches, it’s great for us, they are trying to learn, they are trying to do the things we ask. There are a couple of times where they’ll make suggestions. If it’s a good idea, we’ll say, ‘Yeah, let’s go ahead and do that.’ They’re great guys to coach and that obviously helps trying to get some wins.”
The next step is attracting a superstar to Phoenix. Like the Celtics historically, the Suns have had trouble signing major free agents despite Phoenix being a popular residence for professional athletes. McDonough will have an opportunity to change that with salary cap space to offer a maximum contract.
“I hope not very difficult at all. That’s what I’ve heard in terms of talking to people who have worked here in the past,” said McDonough, referring to attracting free agent interest. “They say whichever free agent you call, they’re going to listen and seriously consider it. I think we have a lot of advantages with the weather and the fact it’s a great place to live, and the golf courses. There’s a lot to do here during the NBA season.
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