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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Personally, I've never thought Casey does this any more or less than the average coach.
    I agree. But people are often putting a lot of blame on Casey for his play calling, or lack there of. And I'm not sure that's a fair criticism, given that he may be trying to teach that ability to read the defense to young players who haven't quite mastered it yet.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    I agree. But people are often putting a lot of blame on Casey for his play calling, or lack there of. And I'm not sure that's a fair criticism, given that he may be trying to teach that ability to read the defense to young players who haven't quite mastered it yet.
    LOL, yes, it's either this, or...he just can't draw up plays. I always leaned towards thinking the latter myself. That said, I'll readily admit that Casey's forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know.

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    Quote jimicliff wrote: View Post
    casey's forgotten more about basketball than i'll ever know.


    The question is, has Casey forgotten more than he ever knew?
    Last edited by stooley; Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post


    The question is, has Casey forgotten more than he ever knew?
    Heheh we'll see. The playoffs are gonna be the acid test.

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    small ball

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
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    ...with veterans!

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    ...with veterans!
    JV and Ross sitting the whole second halve! Hayes and Salmons playing 40 min a game

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    Quote 4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
    JV and Ross sitting the whole second halve! Hayes and Salmons playing 40 min a game
    THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    In a show recently (before the Gay trade), Masai Ujiri said that Casey is being evaluated not on the basis of wins/losses but on the basis of player development. We have seen players (Lowry, Derozan, PP, JV, Ross) develop only I wouldn't attribute it to Coaching. This is an unfortunate situation because it may result in the Coach being re signed. A 1 year extension is impossible but considering that there isn't going to be a long line for Casey's services (if available), 2 years plus team option for 3rd is not impossible.
    Any development of JV is despite DC not because of him.

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    Quote 4hunnit_degreez wrote: View Post
    JV and Ross sitting the whole second halve! Hayes and Salmons playing 40 min a game
    It will only get worse as the games get bigger.

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Any development of JV is despite DC not because of him.
    That's far from fact...

    We really can't say.

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    Casey isn't MU's guy. Not saying Casey couldn't grow into it but MU is ultimately responsible for this team. My biggest question is, can Casey grow into a championship head coach. I'm not sure he can but I don't know all that much anyway.

    I heard Phil Jackson loves Toronto.
    Casey has known Ujiri since Ujiri was an unpaid scout - if Ujiri didn't like him, Casey wouldn't be here now.
    You can't know if a coach can be a championship coach until he has a roster that can compete for a championship - coaches with potential championship rosters are not looking for jobs.

    And stop looking at old retired guys with plastic joints, prostate cancer, & a general inability to work 80 hour weeks as the next head coach - time to move along......
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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    Hmmm, this is the 1st I'm hearing of this. I'm not saying Casey shouldn't be in the conversation. I'm just saying Eric Smith's always come across as a bit of a homer.
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    Sorry but the award goes to Jeff Hornacek, who has left almost every other coach in the dust with what he has done with the Suns this season

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Sorry but the award goes to Jeff Hornacek, who has left almost every other coach in the dust with what he has done with the Suns this season
    I think the Suns have to make the playoffs in order for him to get the award. If they don't, then Portland's coach probably gets the nod IMO.

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Sorry but the award goes to Jeff Hornacek, who has left almost every other coach in the dust with what he has done with the Suns this season
    Not to take anything away from what Hornacek did but the Raptors are only .5 games back from the Suns and are 3rd in the conference.. big difference compared to a team that is 9th place.

    The Suns are in a harder conference but if you look at their win/loss record most of those wins came against the worst teams in the Western conference (Utah/LAL/Denver/Sacramento/NO). They did beat some really good teams (LAC/Houston/Portland/Indiana) but the Raptors have beaten some good teams as well.

    The Suns were a tanking team on paper at the start of the year but so were the Raptors.

    I am not the biggest Casey fan but I think it should be neck and neck between the two. I think Thibs should get it though.

    Personally though if I was a coach I would not want that trophy.. it usually ends up as a death sentence. Most COY winners are fired a year or two later.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Most COY winners are fired a year or two later.
    Heck, even non COY winners have a 3 year window at best, lol
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    The thing about Casey is that he's a motivational coach and motivational coaches can only get you so far, X & Os are the name of the game in the playoffs, matchup/momentum based substitutions. He's been much better this year, but there are still glaring weaknesses in substitution patterns, out of timeout plays, in-game adjustments, and end game plays (most not his fault since execution was poor on the part of the players - DeRozan/Ross/Lowry at times). Being able to get the most out of your players effort wise and maximizing players' talents are two different things, and I don't think he has a firm grasp on the latter nor do I think he's creative enough offensively to ever be that.

    Watching our lack of adjustments versus Brooklyn has me concerned, we tried the same hand off high post play with Amir/DeRozan at the left elbow over and over again despite the fact they were denying DeRozan the ball by fronting him on the cut and getting aggressive on Amir's hand off-forcing him to pass it back out. We made no effort to post up the much skinnier Livingston, instead, we opted to let DeRozan try and attack the lengthier Livingston off the dribble. We were consistently forced to pass it out to the top of the key to Lowry and reset the play, Lowry/Hansbrough are the main reason we stayed in that game, it would've been a blow out. Patterson is obviously a huge x-factor here due to his ability to bring out the other team's forward using his stretch shooting, but in a small ball matchup (Pierce at PF), I'm no longer sure how much of an advantage that is if he has to cover an SF-playing-PF defensively - Pierce would absolutely molest Patterson/Amir in a 7 game series and that's not a knock on Patterson/Amir, and on offense Pat would have to post up much more frequently to take advantage of the matchup.

    I look forward to seeing us in a playoff matchup nonetheless, but Casey could be completely exposed. It's a little bit scary if he wins coach of the year before the playoffs and we absolutely fail in the first round, and we're in a re-sign or let-go situation because it could be a repeat of the Sam Mitchell debacle (though I doubt Masai follows BC's footsteps). I'm cautiously treading here.. we'll see what happens come playoff time, and I would love to find out how much influence Nick Nurse has had this year.

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    It's not just about Lowry...It's about the 3 spot.

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