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    Default Dion Waiters to skip national anthems because of his Muslim faith??

    Why why why?

    I'm sure we have Muslim fans here, so please explain, what Muslim faith have to do with U.S. National Anthem?

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    I'd skip them too.

    Fuck them

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    I'd skip them too.

    Fuck them....


    Actually, I should elaborate.

    The media will run with this, they have an agenda. And they will feed a vastly uninformed general public a sensationalized line of shit that is ALL about his religion when the fact is, i would bet a lot of cash all Dion is doing is being a thoughtful, strong man and staying true to his ideals. Only speculation on my end, but I would gather he is like many, see's no place for politics of pushing a nationalist agenda during sporting events, and ain't having any part in it. In his mind, seeing as the USA and Canada are completely head first into a really shady and politically corrupt battle in the middle east where they constantly insult Muslims in their own country as well as completely worldwide by allowing a fairly serious "terrorist" label to be subtly attached to everything that involves people of Muslin faith, he probably is mad as fuck, as he should be, as WE ALL should be and he doesn't want any part in that machines agenda of bullshit.

    I mean i might be grasping.... but I think there is a solid chance I'm bang on.

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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    I'd skip them too.

    Fuck them....


    Actually, I should elaborate.

    The media will run with this, they have an agenda. And they will feed a vastly uninformed general public a sensationalized line of shit that is ALL about his religion when the fact is, i would bet a lot of cash all Dion is doing is being a thoughtful, strong man and staying true to his ideals. Only speculation on my end, but I would gather he is like many, see's no place for politics of pushing a nationalist agenda during sporting events, and ain't having any part in it. In his mind, seeing as the USA and Canada are completely head first into a really shady and politically corrupt battle in the middle east where they constantly insult Muslims in their own country as well as completely worldwide by allowing a fairly serious "terrorist" label to be subtly attached to everything that involves people of Muslin faith, he probably is mad as fuck, as he should be, as WE ALL should be and he doesn't want any part in that machines agenda of bullshit.

    I mean i might be grasping.... but I think there is a solid chance I'm bang on.
    got it. He's skipping national anthems because of hate to America.

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    Thats a fairly ignorant view bud.

    We should maybe stick to hoops.... clearly Geopolitics isn't really a good fit for us.


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    I remember Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf's career went downhill after he too refused to respect the national anthem. He was a very promising player with the Nuggets, but brought a lot of hate from fans, players and even his own teammates after he refused to stand for the national anthem. He got banned, but the league worked out some compromise where he didn't have to look up during the anthem or something.

    I never understood the need for national anthems prior to games in North American sports. I can understand international games, but club games are unnecessary. Outside Canada and the US, you don't have national anthems prior to a club match in any sport anywhere in the world. It's unnecessary. This coming from a former Canadian army reserve...
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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    I'd skip them too.

    Fuck them....


    Actually, I should elaborate.

    The media will run with this, they have an agenda. And they will feed a vastly uninformed general public a sensationalized line of shit that is ALL about his religion when the fact is, i would bet a lot of cash all Dion is doing is being a thoughtful, strong man and staying true to his ideals. Only speculation on my end, but I would gather he is like many, see's no place for politics of pushing a nationalist agenda during sporting events, and ain't having any part in it. In his mind, seeing as the USA and Canada are completely head first into a really shady and politically corrupt battle in the middle east where they constantly insult Muslims in their own country as well as completely worldwide by allowing a fairly serious "terrorist" label to be subtly attached to everything that involves people of Muslin faith, he probably is mad as fuck, as he should be, as WE ALL should be and he doesn't want any part in that machines agenda of bullshit.

    I mean i might be grasping.... but I think there is a solid chance I'm bang on.
    Similarly, I hate when the Raps where their camo alternates. Other the fact that they're ugly as fuck, the subtle Orwellian military propaganda makes me sick.

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    Everyone here has their interpretation of Political Correctness, and when the GM trades Waiters to Philadelphia FOR a 1ST Round Pick, he can enjoy his career in TANK CITY.

    Seen this trip beforehand, the GM of the Cavs will send this young man, on his way and wish him the best of luck. Look Turkey has a great team in Europe as well, Deron Williams enjoyed playing there, I mean this in a nice manner. Waiters may feel more comfortable playing there.

    For years Waiters understood this format existed, and the conduct code that he signed in his professional contract confirms such.

    To me, I dont understand that his behavior as being xenophobic. But, he has a contract that he has signed, and he must live up to the contract, in signing a new contract he can create a codicil to avoid standing for the national anthems.
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    Waiters was back on the floor for the anthem last night in Denver.

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    Must have read his contract.

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    Quote Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
    Must have read his contract.
    I think Lebron was threatening to kick his butt.

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    Well it IS the religion thing actually I believe.

    Lets not do the "pick on the muslims thing again" please. The Jehovah's witnesses eg. have the same attitude as may others like your everyday atheist who take issue with the "christian god" being an integral part of said anthem and wish not to upstage their own deity or none. This does not mean they do not respect the right of others to participate in the anthem/singalong. They just want to be excused. If it means so much to them well then why not? There is separation of church and state correct? And freedom of religion? Big deal re Waiters.

    I do agree with much of what posters Superjudge & Kopite say. It is such a effing waste of time with so much faux patriotism every game with each league trying to outdo the other it's nauseating (to me at least) the NFL being the worst who roll out the military and the armory and flypasts and field wide flags with Canada trying to play copycat.

    Here's the thing....the history of national anthems being played at such events had their genesis during the WW2 (baseball started it) as did the withholding system of income taxes. This I understand....rally everyone to the cause and pay for the war effort etc. The war ended. And both have remained....alongwith forms of nationalism which tends to be a conduit to conflict.

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    Quote Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
    Must have read his contract.
    He already did.




    Chris Haynes, Cleveland.com journo says he recorded his interview with Dion.
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    Edit: Just read the tweet. There ya go.

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    There's nothing in Islam that says we shouldn't stand up for the anthem, it's just some more B.S that these reporters love to spew.
    There's nothing to see here

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Similarly, I hate when the Raps where their camo alternates. Other the fact that they're ugly as fuck, the subtle Orwellian military propaganda makes me sick.
    You probably hate remembrance day too don't you? The world is an imperfect place, and there are men and women that are willing to sacrifice their lives for your freedom. So you go ahead say what you will against the military, but remember as you're saying it that someone sacrificed their life to give you that right.

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    Quote MACK11 wrote: View Post
    There's nothing in Islam that says we shouldn't stand up for the anthem, it's just some more B.S that these reporters love to spew.
    There's nothing to see here
    You're right there is nothing. Most Muslims do stand for the American anthem or whatever the anthem is in the country they are in. The problem is, the ones that don't and cite their religion as the reason are likely ATLEAST of the mindset more similar to those of anti-western views. That's the issue.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Similarly, I hate when the Raps where their camo alternates. Other the fact that they're ugly as fuck, the subtle Orwellian military propaganda makes me sick.
    I missed this bit. I think you're letting your imagination take control a little bit here. The Raptors wear those in support of the troops(and not 'Big Brother'). Whether you support where they are or who they're fighting, you still appreciate the sacrifices and the risks they take, right?

    They're doing what they do because they believe it makes this country safer, just as most police and fire fighters. I don't believe that Canada should be in the middle east at all right now but I still respect our troops who go over there and risk their lives. Without people like these brave individuals you would be in an Orwellian State and one of our most cherished leaders would be Hilter(responsible for 30 million deaths) or maybe Stalin(responsible for 40 million deaths) or who knows, maybe Mao(responsible for 60 million deaths).

    You should be thankful that there are brave men around you willing to lay it all on the line because the life you get to live was paid for with the lives of so many courageous people just like them. If there ever is an attack on Canadian soil it is these people you will be running to for protection. I bet you would have no issues with camo then.

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    Apollo, it's hard to argue against the mantra of "it's for the soldiers! The men and women who put their lives at risk for you to fight for you freedom". You can never argue against that. It's obviously for them (or us in the case of me). While a few sports clubs in North America (ex. Maple Leafs) are forever linked with the army and past war efforts, there is an underlying, unconscious objective of ponying up to patriotism when most other clubs honour the military.

    Either way, I think we're getting a little sidetracked here. The debate is about national anthems and whether Dion Waiters has to stand through one.
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    Quote kopite91 wrote: View Post
    Apollo, it's hard to argue against the mantra of "it's for the soldiers! The men and women who put their lives at risk for you to fight for you freedom".
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