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  • The Tanking Problem

    Doing some reading of old Grantland material due to boredom, and came across this puppy, which could solve the tanking problem once and for all.

    http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=5496

    Grantland's Sean Mcindoe explaining it:

    "Here’s how it works: The top draft positions will be awarded based on points earned after playoff elimination. Once a team is officially out of the playoff race, it starts the clock on amassing points toward its draft position. Bad teams still get an advantage (because they’re eliminated earlier), but now the emphasis is on winning, not just on riding out the string. It’s relatively simple, and it’s brilliant.

    You’re telling me you wouldn’t be excited the day the “no. 1 overall pick points” column appeared in the standings? If we were lucky, we could even have late-season showdowns for the top picks. And fans watching those games would actually be cheering for their own teams to win. Imagine that."
    @Boymusic66

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    so teams lose 70 game son purpose then give a little effort for a better pick?

    Ya, awesome idea.

    How about this.... don't filter stars t0 major markets, and make much stronger cap and free agnecy rules that will help create parity.

    The system in place is fine. They allow idea's like this one to become topics of discussion to take attention away from the real reasons bad teams stay bad.

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    • #3
      The big issue with that "after elimination" idea is the conference difference. A bad West team would get eliminated earlier than an equally bad East team. So they can start collecting points earlier. In a year like this one, you would probably have like 5 West teams fininishing top 5 in the lottery, over many crappier East teams. And then you get an eternal circle. West gets the best picks, they keep having more good teams, their crappy teams keep getting eliminated earlier and earlier, and keep getting the top prospects. Free agency will help the East a little, but overall West will just keep getting better and better. In 10 years, you will probably have a situation where West has 10 50 wins teams and their 30 wins teams collect high lottery picks, while the East is full of crappy teams that struggle to get good prospects.

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      • #4
        Craig wrote: View Post
        so teams lose 70 game son purpose then give a little effort for a better pick?

        Ya, awesome idea.

        How about this.... don't filter stars t0 major markets, and make much stronger cap and free agnecy rules that will help create parity.

        The system in place is fine. They allow idea's like this one to become topics of discussion to take attention away from the real reasons bad teams stay bad.
        So a 70 loss team can suddenly turn it on? Not in this reality. Really bad teams aren't due to lack of effort. The causes are invariably lack of talent, extreme dysfunction or extreme youth.
        If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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        • #5
          BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
          The big issue with that "after elimination" idea is the conference difference. A bad West team would get eliminated earlier than an equally bad East team. So they can start collecting points earlier. In a year like this one, you would probably have like 5 West teams fininishing top 5 in the lottery, over many crappier East teams. And then you get an eternal circle. West gets the best picks, they keep having more good teams, their crappy teams keep getting eliminated earlier and earlier, and keep getting the top prospects. Free agency will help the East a little, but overall West will just keep getting better and better. In 10 years, you will probably have a situation where West has 10 50 wins teams and their 30 wins teams collect high lottery picks, while the East is full of crappy teams that struggle to get good prospects.
          Didn't MLB have a system in the past where the draft alternated, with the NL picking 1-3-5-7-9 etc one year and the AL the next?
          If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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          • #6
            3inthekeon wrote: View Post
            So a 70 loss team can suddenly turn it on? Not in this reality. Really bad teams aren't due to lack of effort. The causes are invariably lack of talent, extreme dysfunction or extreme youth.
            Boom!

            If you're losing 70 games, there's no way you're winning this "standings" thing.
            Twitter - @thekid_it

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            • #7
              BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
              The big issue with that "after elimination" idea is the conference difference. A bad West team would get eliminated earlier than an equally bad East team. So they can start collecting points earlier. In a year like this one, you would probably have like 5 West teams fininishing top 5 in the lottery, over many crappier East teams. And then you get an eternal circle. West gets the best picks, they keep having more good teams, their crappy teams keep getting eliminated earlier and earlier, and keep getting the top prospects. Free agency will help the East a little, but overall West will just keep getting better and better. In 10 years, you will probably have a situation where West has 10 50 wins teams and their 30 wins teams collect high lottery picks, while the East is full of crappy teams that struggle to get good prospects.
              Good point. Maybe the non playoff teams can get less points for close losses (6 points or less). That way the teams that are already good don't have as much of a chance of getting even better.

              There are going to be flaws with any proposed change, mind you.
              A key that opens many locks is a master key, but a lock that gets open by many keys is just a shitty lock

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              • #8
                My solution would be that all the teams that dont make the playoofs have an equal chance to win the lottery so you wont see teams try to intentionally have the worst record for a better chance at landing #1 pick
                "Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed

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                • #9
                  3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                  So a 70 loss team can suddenly turn it on? Not in this reality. Really bad teams aren't due to lack of effort. The causes are invariably lack of talent, extreme dysfunction or extreme youth.
                  hahaha ok, then where is the problem with the system?

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                  • #10
                    isaacthompson wrote: View Post
                    Boom!

                    If you're losing 70 games, there's no way you're winning this "standings" thing.
                    what da fuck.... did you just "boom" that comment?

                    Oh shit no you didnot.


                    You guys gotta stop, ever, , ever, siding against my absolute awesome.

                    really you do.

                    I'm so smart it is lonely and sad in my head.

                    HA!

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                    • #11
                      My solution is contracting the bottom 8 teams in the league in attendance and revenue.




                      THEN you wont have a problem with ANYTHING

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                      • #12
                        Craig wrote: View Post
                        hahaha ok, then where is the problem with the system?
                        You mean with the current system? People don't like that many GMs intentionally make their teams bad. I.e., tanking.

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                        • #13
                          good lord
                          they DONT

                          how do people think this is a new concept....its been around in business for decades.

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                          • #14
                            It's an old concept, but you asked... So I explained.
                            I suspect you maybe meant something different but tbh you aren't easy to understand sometimes because of all the flair

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                            • #15
                              I think there needs to be financial incentive to get teams willing to push. Otherwise, the draw for a Wiggins type talent is simply too strong.

                              A set-up that sees everyone but the top 10 picking teams share in the playoff revenue (and perhaps some other pot of money ~ TV? Sales?) would make many owners and teams to strive to be competitive.
                              Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                              If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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