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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I guess that's where my surprise comes from. By "inefficient" are we simply talking about shooting percentages? Are possessions that draw fouls accounted for? We've noted the importance of drawing double-teams and finding open shooters.

    I find a general decline in quality post play, compared to 10-15 years ago, and I'm sad to see it. I think good offensive balance requires strong perimeter play as well as strong post play.

    Either way, it's an interesting topic.
    Overall, I agree. Seems like most "bigs" these days have a better face-up game than post game, which isn't completely surprising since most players don't know how big they'll be, they prepare as a perimeter player and then adjust once they grow. I'd like to see more perimeter players develop the post game (ahem...Demar).

    I coached a 5'5 PG who was our best post player for 2 reasons; 1, he worked at it to be good with his moves, 2, rarely did he encounter a defender who was used to defending the post. He'd post up bigger guards and get them in foul trouble because they weren't comfortable. If they switched, he'd take them outside and dribble by them. Point is, versatile skill set works both ways. The pendulum has swung so that all bigs can play on the perimeter, time to take it back and get more balance.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I guess that's where my surprise comes from. By "inefficient" are we simply talking about shooting percentages? Are possessions that draw fouls accounted for? We've noted the importance of drawing double-teams and finding open shooters.

    I find a general decline in quality post play, compared to 10-15 years ago, and I'm sad to see it. I think good offensive balance requires strong perimeter play as well as strong post play.

    Either way, it's an interesting topic.
    Yeh I'm also very salty about it, that's why I brought it up.I joked in a previous thread about being an "All-world 6'5" center" myself, and i love watching the big guys go at it in the post. You just don't see it anymore. Big guys that dominate in the post and put up huge scoring numbers are no longer around. Even DeMarcus Cousins, who scores big, is not a particularly good post player, especially with his back to the basket. The question about the declining quality of post players is a really interesting one and one that has been discussed at length for ages. It defies belief that when everything else is getting better, that the post players of this generation just suck. But then you watch the vids of Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson and co going at it, and there's no one in the league with their gifts either. One thing I am sure of, it's a hell of a lot harder to stop a guard in a pick and roll, than it is to stop a post player. You can't lay a hand on a guy driving to the bucket, but you sure can body up a post player.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I know. Basketball sits ahead of baseball and football, but has more rules than hockey and soccer.

    I love the consistent pressure situations that basketball creates through individual possessions. I'm a racket sports guy, and basketball kinda reproduces that point by point pressure.

    I think if anything needs to be changed it's the amalgamation of some rules. Either more refs are needed, or rules need to be clearer to call.
    Honestly I think that the rules are adequately defined but do not allow much leeway in terms of context, forcing refs to make calls that make no sense. For example the pump fake and jumping into the defender. That should be an offensive foul, but the refs are force to give the call to the offensive player. If you give discretion to the refs, they can call it an offensive foul if the shooter throws a shoulder or hip to create contact, or a defensive foul if the defender does indeed enter the vertical space of the shooter.

    Not everything can be, nor should they be, black and white.

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    I would rather they just made the three point line further out/ expanded the court a bit as mentioned above, instead of making a four point line. I love the three point shot, but I also love every other scoring skill as well. The post up ( described as highly inefficient by the anayltics crowd), mid range game Etc etc. Hopefully it doesn't keep going up and up, but I think it probably will.
    I think a wider court would be fantastic and the resultant expansion of the corner three...this will increase the value of long distance shooting and serve to open up the short corners, which are basically not used at all at the NBA level (which I hate, favorite big man shot is the short corner off the drive and dish)

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    Really? I've never heard this before.

    You'd think the analytics crowd would conclude that the closer you are to the basket, the higher your FG% would be. Are teams better at sending double teams? Are players just poor post players these days?
    Eye test says that the SportVU technology will show the importance of post play as the double comes and the perimeter player drives...should make for highly efficient and valuable play sets focused on the post and passing out of the post.

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    Default Technique conquers the three point challenge

    Anyone have any idea why there is such a substantial increase in 3 point shooting in the NBA?

    Can I guess that NBA players learned how to use their legs to propel the ball the additional distance. Then they learned how to shoot straight and voila! Players who have shoulders like accountants are now three point specialists.

    My $.02

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