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    Default How does this Raptors team stack up against VC's 00-01 team?

    Good read.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...the-best-ever/

    Thoughts? is this the greatest Raptors team ever??
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    This is the greatest raps team ever. Not the best collection of talent ever however.

    That sixers team that went to the finals would be a lot easier to beat in this day and age. Top play, used often: Iverson dribble dribble dribble shoot!

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    I have a hard time believing this team could beat the 01 team. This one has more depth and role players but that team just seems substantially better to me.

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    I have a hard time believing this team could beat the 01 team. This one has more depth and role players but that team just seems substantially better to me.
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    The article suggests that the 00-01 team was more talented, but I have to disagree with that. Outside of Carter, there was no one special on that club. Davis, Oakley, Williams, Peterson, Childs and the rest were all good players, but none of them were truly great talents. Like the article said, it was a good mix of young players and tough, savvy vets. The current team does not have the equivalent of Davis, or a tough in your face guy like Oak, or that sweet shooter off the bench like Curry. And that's basically what's really missing from our current team, a veteran presence that is really important on the floor. You could argue Lowry or Amir I guess, but neither provides the veteran presence that those other guys did. They hadn't had the success that Oak and Curry had previously to draw upon.

    And when you look at the current roster, it's almost bursting at the seams with talent. No one is or will likely be at the level that Carter was then, but overall the current lineup looks more talented than the 00-01 team. Some of this is potential of course, and who knows if that will be reached, but who would you rather: Mo Pete or Ross? Davis or JV? A. Williams or Lowry? Patterson or J. Williams?

    It's kind of difficult to really compare the teams, as that 00-01 team was built to do what it did, while this current team is still figuring a lot of things out and in no shape, way or form was it expected to do this well. I think if this current team played one more complete season together there would be no question as to which team is better.

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    I need a sidde by side roster comparison

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    00-01 Roster:

    Vince Carter
    Antonio Davis
    Charles Oakley
    Alvin Williams
    Morris Peterson
    Mark Jackson
    Dell Curry
    Keon Clark
    Corliss Williamson
    Kevin Willis
    Tracy Murray
    Jerome Williams
    Chris Childs
    Michael Stewart

    and other less important players

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I need a sidde by side roster comparison
    Quick somebody accommodate this guy we need his opinion and quick

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    I forgot about Jackson, Willis, Murray and Stewart in my original post, but I still stick to my opinion.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    00-01 Roster:

    Vince Carter
    Antonio Davis
    Charles Oakley
    Alvin Williams
    Morris Peterson
    Mark Jackson
    Dell Curry
    Keon Clark
    Corliss Williamson
    Kevin Willis
    Tracy Murray
    Jerome Williams
    Chris Childs
    Michael Stewart

    and other less important players
    What an old team that was, even then. I wonder if mark Jackson ever met Dell currys son back then...

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    I gotta say though, that 00-01 team was pretty deep, even moreso than our current roster I think, although some of those guys were near the end of their careers.

    And a much better 3pt shooting team!!
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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    I gotta say though, that 00-01 team was pretty deep, even moreso than our current roster I think, although some of those guys were near the end of their careers.
    Not really. The roster you posted doesn't account for the trades....

    Playoff roster was

    Carter
    Davis
    Williams
    Oakley
    Childs
    Curry
    Peterson
    Clark
    Williams
    Murray
    Montross
    Stewart

    Jackson, Willis and Williamson were all shipped off during the season. Replaced by Childs, Clark and Williams. The team was about 9-men deep, at best, which is about the same as now.

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    The article mentions it as well but ultimately the 00-01 team had a tougher road. The East was far more stacked than it is now. On paper you can make an argument that this year's team has more depth but that years team had veterans with experience.

    A veteran team with experience will usually beat an up and coming team. Plus that team had a super star in Vince.. this team does not. A team with a super star will usually get the edge.

    But this year's squad is probably the second best team we've ever had (I'd say this team is better than the 06-07 team).. that's a testament to how well this group has been playing... and unfortunately another example of how bleak this franchise has been since its existence.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    The article mentions it as well but ultimately the 00-01 team had a tougher road. The East was far more stacked than it is now. On paper you can make an argument that this year's team has more depth but that years team had veterans with experience.

    A veteran team with experience will usually beat an up and coming team. Plus that team had a super star in Vince.. this team does not. A team with a super star will usually get the edge.

    But this year's squad is probably the second best team we've ever had (I'd say this team is better than the 06-07 team).. that's a testament to how well this group has been playing... and unfortunately another example of how bleak this franchise has been since its existence.
    I would argue the east is a tougher road this year because Miami and indiana are waaay Bette than anything they had to offer. They would destroy that sixers team. The east was deeper sure but for years teams were just lining up to get destroys by the Lakers or spurs.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    I would argue the east is a tougher road this year because Miami and indiana are waaay Bette than anything they had to offer. They would destroy that sixers team. The east was deeper sure but for years teams were just lining up to get destroys by the Lakers or spurs.
    But we're 1-5 vs. Miami and Indy this year. Can't see how that's used as evidence that the 2013-14 Raptors are better.
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    But we're 1-5 vs. Miami and Indy this year. Can't see how that's used as evidence that the 2013-14 Raptors are better.
    It isn't. Im just addressing the point that the east is actually a tougher road this year. Sure the first round is slightly easier maybe but you have to beat indy and miami to reach the finals.The best team in the east that season was the 6ers and the raptors almost beat them. Picture that sixers team playing Miami in a best of seven

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    It isn't. Im just addressing the point that the east is actually a tougher road this year. Sure the first round is slightly easier maybe but you have to beat indy and miami to reach the finals.The best team in the east that season was the 6ers and the raptors almost beat them. Picture that sixers team playing Miami in a best of seven
    Ah, point taken.
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    This is the greatest raps team ever. Not the best collection of talent ever however.

    That sixers team that went to the finals would be a lot easier to beat in this day and age. Top play, used often: Iverson dribble dribble dribble shoot!
    Kind of yes but... Different time, different rules, different team building philosophies. Also, D'Antoni, Pops, Thibodeau simply have changed how teams play with their modern strategies. If that 76ers team played today, they'd be built and coached very differently, they'd have some 3pt shooters for starters.

    And how would current teams play back then, if handchecking was still allowed and there were no modern coaching strategies yet.

    I think it's a bit unfair to dismiss a team because of era and play style. We could probably dismiss lots of teams that way. How would that old school simple 90s Jazz pick and roll fare today? Probably not very well. Thibodeau's system is built to stop it, and everyone's copying it. But looking past rules and styles, it was an extremely good team.

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    [QUOTyour horses 3183]The article suggests that the 00-01 team was more talented, but I have to disagree with that. Outside of Carter, there was no one special on that club. Davis, Oakley, Williams, Peterson, Childs and the rest were all good players, but none of them were truly great talents. Like the article said, it was a good mix of young players and tough, savvy vets. The current team does not have the equivalent of Davis, or a tough in your face guy like Oak, or that sweet shooter off the bench like Curry. And that's basically what's really missing from our current team, a veteran presence that is really important on the floor. You could argue Lowry or Amir I guess, but neither provides the veteran presence that those other guys did. They hadn't had the success that Oak and Curry had previously to draw upon.

    And when you look at the current roster, it's almost bursting at the seams with talent. No one is or will likely be at the level that Carter was then, but overall the current lineup looks more talented than the 00-01 team. Some of this is potential of course, and who knows if that will be reached, but who would you rather: Mo Pete or Ross? Davis or JV? A. Williams or Lowry? Patterson or J. Williams?

    It's kind of difficult to really compare the teams, as that 00-01 team was built to do what it did, while this current team is still figuring a lot of things out and in no shape, way or form was it expected to do this well. I think if this current team played one more complete season together there would be no question as to which team is better.[/QUOTE]

    Hold your horses, you say the current team has no sweet shooter or in your face kinda guy, how about Steve Novak and Tyler Hansbrough? I don't have much else to contribute to this conversation but I just couldn't believe you didn't find analogous players to Dell Curry and Charles Oakley on the current roster.

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    Quote MoPeteRules wrote: View Post
    Hold your horses, you say the current team has no sweet shooter or in your face kinda guy, how about Steve Novak and Tyler Hansbrough? I don't have much else to contribute to this conversation but I just couldn't believe you didn't find analogous players to Dell Curry and Charles Oakley on the current roster.
    Novak isn't really part of the rotation, and Psycho T doesn't have the "been there, done that" credibility that Oakley provided.
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