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Matt52 wrote: View PostI love Ross' game and only see him getting better.Last edited by Ambidextrious; Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:10 AM.We all make mistakes... Tanking is not the answer.. This squad can ball! Let it roll!!
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Ambidextrious wrote: View PostLet me play devils advocate here and ask what Ross' value will be as a first option getting 35+mpg and at least 15 shots a night consistently
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I would love if we can flip Derozan for a 3 of equal talent and let Ross take over the 2 guard position for the future.
I like Derozan but I just don't see his style of play leading to playoff success, I think with a good to great defender you can shut him down if that's your focus. Ross' game seems like it fits today's NBA much better especially with his range and his defense is amazing for a guy in his 2nd year.
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Abbas wrote: View Postokay so i was just wondering who do u guys think will be better in there prime and also who would you NOT want to trade
Keep in mind
Demar's Age is 24 years, 220 days as of today
& TRoss is age is 23 years, 38 days as of today
It's no secret that when demar was in his second year he had better stats then Tross and also when demar was 23 (last year) he had better stats then TROSS at the age of 23 (this year)
I think in there prime Demar will be a better player then TRoss but not by a lot
Also if we were to trade one of them what do you guys think we can get for them
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Letter N wrote: View PostI would love if we can flip Derozan for a 3 of equal talent and let Ross take over the 2 guard position for the future.
I like Derozan but I just don't see his style of play leading to playoff success, I think with a good to great defender you can shut him down if that's your focus. Ross' game seems like it fits today's NBA much better especially with his range and his defense is amazing for a guy in his 2nd year.
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Personally, I do not think this team will be able to contend with DeRozan as its starting SG. Yes, he has improved and he is an overall positive on this team right now but going forward, for me he's got the Rudy Gay effect - remove him and distribute his shots among the other, more efficient players, and the net result is a better team. I don't buy this "he is the top option and drawing the best opposing wing defender and Ross, or anybody else, would struggle if DD isn't there". Again, this is a personal opinion looking into the future, so there is not "right" or "wrong". I feel that if we add a quality SF, a 6'7'' or 6'8'' defender ala Leonard or even same Tucker, who closed down DD - and someone like that could be relatively cheap, this team will be better. Of course, it is going to take another step for Ross and Val (and 2PAt for that matter)...
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Why Raptor fans always fall in love with possible potentials vs the reality ?
Reality is DD is a good 3rd option in a good team now. Reality is Ross right now is not there and may never get there. He has not shown anything to suggest that he WILL be better than DD !!! NOTHING ....
Same goes with Big Val and for god sake 2 PAT !!!! It is all speculation.
Now, if we want to trade DD for an established STAR in this league, then go ahead. I have no problem with that. But if we think Ross is making DD redundant or ... then my friends, you are dreaming.
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Why not both?
Both are tremendous young players with different skillset on cheap contracts.
I also think that both are learning from one another, as Demar as cut some long-twos attempts for 3s in the corner. He is also improving his defense. He isn't the pillar he used to be vs shorter and quicker guards, plays the passing lanes and get more deflections/steals as a result, and seems to be better as a team defender (ex: the late game play vs the cavaliers and Zeller)
Ross is improving his overall decision making, his in-game rythym as he oftens knock a couple of shots in a row, and his reads on the offensive end as he is developping a game of the dribble.
The fact that both go at one another in pratice is also a tremendous way of devloppement.Myself (March 2014):
The raptors are a tremendous young team and will win a championship in the following five years.
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Abbas wrote: View PostIt's no secret that when demar was in his second year he had better stats then Tross and also when demar was 23 (last year) he had better stats then TROSS at the age of 23 (this year)
Stat | DD 2nd year | DD 23 years old | Ross this year
TS%: .530 | .523 | .565
ORTG: 106 | 105 | 108
DRTG: 115 | 110 | 106
WS/48: .055 | .075 | .104
Ross is way better than any DD season until this one. Comparison also conveniently ignores DD's horriawful 3rd season.
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DanH wrote: View PostSecret? Try lie.
Stat | DD 2nd year | DD 23 years old | Ross this year
TS%: .530 | .523 | .565
ORTG: 106 | 105 | 108
DRTG: 115 | 110 | 106
WS/48: .055 | .075 | .104
Ross is way better than any DD season until this one. Comparison also conveniently ignores DD's horriawful 3rd season.
There is a shit storm coming.
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Tross should be our 2 while DD plays the 3. The only reason DD's at the 2 is because he can't really defend opposing 3s. If only he can get a tad stronger or bulk up a bit more and improve his defence, he would make a great 3. He's managed to improve his offence every year so it's not too late for him to hone his defence.
And i'm a bit disappointed with the lack of post play from DD. I know that we're playing less isoball but it's like his post game has disappeared.
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