I would love if we can flip Derozan for a 3 of equal talent and let Ross take over the 2 guard position for the future.
I like Derozan but I just don't see his style of play leading to playoff success, I think with a good to great defender you can shut him down if that's your focus. Ross' game seems like it fits today's NBA much better especially with his range and his defense is amazing for a guy in his 2nd year.
Personally, I do not think this team will be able to contend with DeRozan as its starting SG. Yes, he has improved and he is an overall positive on this team right now but going forward, for me he's got the Rudy Gay effect - remove him and distribute his shots among the other, more efficient players, and the net result is a better team. I don't buy this "he is the top option and drawing the best opposing wing defender and Ross, or anybody else, would struggle if DD isn't there". Again, this is a personal opinion looking into the future, so there is not "right" or "wrong". I feel that if we add a quality SF, a 6'7'' or 6'8'' defender ala Leonard or even same Tucker, who closed down DD - and someone like that could be relatively cheap, this team will be better. Of course, it is going to take another step for Ross and Val (and 2PAt for that matter)...
Why Raptor fans always fall in love with possible potentials vs the reality ?
Reality is DD is a good 3rd option in a good team now. Reality is Ross right now is not there and may never get there. He has not shown anything to suggest that he WILL be better than DD !!! NOTHING ....
Same goes with Big Val and for god sake 2 PAT !!!! It is all speculation.
Now, if we want to trade DD for an established STAR in this league, then go ahead. I have no problem with that. But if we think Ross is making DD redundant or ... then my friends, you are dreaming.
Why not both?
Both are tremendous young players with different skillset on cheap contracts.
I also think that both are learning from one another, as Demar as cut some long-twos attempts for 3s in the corner. He is also improving his defense. He isn't the pillar he used to be vs shorter and quicker guards, plays the passing lanes and get more deflections/steals as a result, and seems to be better as a team defender (ex: the late game play vs the cavaliers and Zeller)
Ross is improving his overall decision making, his in-game rythym as he oftens knock a couple of shots in a row, and his reads on the offensive end as he is developping a game of the dribble.
The fact that both go at one another in pratice is also a tremendous way of devloppement.
Tross should be our 2 while DD plays the 3. The only reason DD's at the 2 is because he can't really defend opposing 3s. If only he can get a tad stronger or bulk up a bit more and improve his defence, he would make a great 3. He's managed to improve his offence every year so it's not too late for him to hone his defence.
And i'm a bit disappointed with the lack of post play from DD. I know that we're playing less isoball but it's like his post game has disappeared.
You certainly can't give up Ross, unless it's for something freaking amazing that's all I say. Elite 3 and D skills are just so valuable and it's easy to blend him into any lineup.
Last edited by Pong; Mon Mar 17th, 2014 at 01:07 PM.
Ross probably has more potential but I also like his game more so I'm biased. I wish he had the work ethic that DD had but that's asking a lot since most guys in the league don't have DD's work ethic and a lot of them are still really good (I mean neither Vince or T-Mac were labeled as gym rats and they carved out pretty good careers for themselves).
I have no objection to trading DD. But can't just give him away either.. need to get something of quality (all-star caliber or loads of potential back). Wonder if Orlando would consider giving up Harris for him? Harris+Afflalo for DeRozan works
"DeRozanís numbers seem a little fluky. Heís shot just 41 percent out of pick-and-rolls, has recorded an assist on just 5.8 percent those 690 possessions (the fourth lowest rate of the group), and averages less than one secondary assist (where his pass directly leads to somebody elseís assist) per game. But he has drawn fouls on 9.4 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, a rate on par with that of LeBron James."
so nope. not good at handling/passing. really good at getting to the line.
Ross' oRTG and dRTG are really good because he's on a very good team (something that was not even close to the case for DeMar until this year). Win shares are going to be above average as a result of that combined with the fact that he gets quite a lot of minutes on a good team.
He's definitely more efficient, but let's not forget that he's a 3rd/4th option, while DeRozan was a 1st/2nd. More volume and larger offensive role usually leads to lower efficiency unless you're talking about superstar players.
kk how the hell do i delete this thread
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