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    He forgot to mention Tross , he is going to need to up his contribution in the playoffs
    ya dun noe

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    DD is just in a slump.

    Shit happens.

    Couldn't agree more with the bold.
    Yes and no. It's pretty clear that teams are defending DD a lot closer now and he's seeing more double teams. It's a smart move to take the ball out of the hands of your opponents highest usage player (note: unless that happens to be Rudy Gay). This is where Casey has to devise a few more counters and, in particular get JV and Ross more involved in the offense - by design. It worked great in the Pistons game where DD became more of a facilitator and JV was even open under the bucket a few times. In fact, in an ideal future, the offense runs inside-out through JV a la Spurs (Duncan-Parker, Duncan-Ginobili) a lot more than the perimeter oriented attack that Casey seems to favor now.

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    I think Toronto IS soft inside.

    JV isn't a tough, strong interior defender, and the rest of them are puny.

    I'm not sure why people can't see this. It can get better, but right now.... SOFT

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I think Toronto IS soft inside.

    JV isn't a tough, strong interior defender, and the rest of them are puny.

    I'm not sure why people can't see this. It can get better, but right now.... SOFT
    Yep. This is the reason that I've never been big on Amir. 6'9'', 210lbs - that's a small forward.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Yep. This is the reason that I've never been big on Amir. 6'9'', 210lbs - that's a small forward.
    those measurements are when he came out of high school at age 17 looool
    Now he's 6'10 230lbs

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    Quote MACK11 wrote: View Post
    those measurements are when he came out of high school at age 17 looool
    Now he's 6'10 230lbs
    Wikipedia, NBA.com, TSN and Basketball Reference all list 6'9'' 210.

    Yahoo lists 6'9'' 237.

    Regardless, he's undersized as a 4, especially if he isn't shooting much. He can only start in the east. He's the starter who most needs to be upgraded.
    Last edited by JimiCliff; Mon Mar 17th, 2014 at 07:18 PM.

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    Agree with the scout and everyone pointing out how doh-ey we are inside.
    Chuck Hayes is basically the Pilsbury doh-boy, incarnate; short, fat, all puff-no bounce, zero offence, little to no rebounding.

    Add to the fact that Charlotte and Chicago are on a tear equal to ours; "Portland, Phoenix, Chicago, Charlotte ... and Toronto at 31-16 since trading away Rudy Gay." (Marc Stein Power Rankings Week 20), while Washington and Brooklyn have turned it around heavy. We have legit match-up concerns wherever we land in the east.

    Nice to have dem first round match-up concerns doe,

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    Agree with the scout and everyone pointing out how doh-ey we are inside.
    Chuck Hayes is basically the Pilsbury doh-boy, incarnate; short, fat, all puff-no bounce, zero offence, little to no rebounding.

    Add to the fact that Charlotte and Chicago are on a tear equal to ours; "Portland, Phoenix, Chicago, Charlotte ... and Toronto at 31-16 since trading away Rudy Gay." (Marc Stein Power Rankings Week 20), while Washington and Brooklyn have turned it around heavy. We have legit match-up concerns wherever we land in the east.

    Nice to have dem first round match-up concerns doe,
    ahhaahhaahhahhahahah @ "all puff no bounce" I have never heard that one before looooooool

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    Raptors Total Rebound %

    Patterson - 12.9
    Amir - 13.1
    Hansbrough - 16.5
    JV - 17.9
    Chuck Hayes - 17.9

    Hayes has a lot of deficiencies, but he's also smart, boxes out and positions properly.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    Wikipedia, NBA.com, TSN and Basketball Reference all list 6'9'' 210.

    Yahoo lists 6'9'' 237.

    Regardless, he's undersized as a 4, especially if he isn't shooting much. He can only start in the east. He's the starter who most needs to be upgraded.
    Lol, Amir is clearly not 210. His size is totally fine for the four, which is why Casey dumps him in as the C for small ball. Further, he anchors the D; it's not his defense that needs upgrading, it's finding someone with more post offense.

    The bigger problem is Chuck Hayes not being able to block shots. Positionally he's great, but with Val still learning the ropes, lane intimidation/rim protection is our biggest weakness.

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    Fwiw, every time I read the title of this thread "soft inside" I automatically think vagina.
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    The raps really don't have good answers for big strong centers like Gortat, Pekovic, etc. They pretty much have their way against JV or Hayes (man, if we could transfer Hayes' lower body strength and basketball knowledge to JV you'd have the perfect center). It would have been nice if Ujiri could have traded for one more big before the deadline, so at least they'd have six more fouls to give.

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    Agree with the scout and everyone pointing out how doh-ey we are inside.
    Chuck Hayes is basically the Pilsbury doh-boy, incarnate; short, fat, all puff-no bounce, zero offence, little to no rebounding.

    Add to the fact that Charlotte and Chicago are on a tear equal to ours; "Portland, Phoenix, Chicago, Charlotte ... and Toronto at 31-16 since trading away Rudy Gay." (Marc Stein Power Rankings Week 20), while Washington and Brooklyn have turned it around heavy. We have legit match-up concerns wherever we land in the east.

    Nice to have dem first round match-up concerns doe,
    Just to clarify, Stein meant that all those teams have overachieved compared to pre-season expectations, and Toronto specifically has overachieved since the Gay trade. Not that they are all on a tear similar to 31-16.

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I think Toronto IS soft inside.
    Tyler seems to be the forgotten man, now that Casey will barely let him play. He's tough as nails, and his coming to Toronto meant the team's former "soft" demeanour has been shed in the current season. Tyler keeps everyone working hard, and goes all out.

    Right now, with inconsistent minutes and a show of no confidence from the coach, he has struggled for the last three games. But do not underestimate the effect he has had on the team as a whole.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Fwiw, every time I read the title of this thread "soft inside" I automatically think vagina.
    Heinz, is that you???
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    Quote caccia wrote: View Post
    Tyler seems to be the forgotten man, now that Casey will barely let him play. He's tough as nails, and his coming to Toronto meant the team's former "soft" demeanour has been shed in the current season. Tyler keeps everyone working hard, and goes all out.

    Right now, with inconsistent minutes and a show of no confidence from the coach, he has struggled for the last three games. But do not underestimate the effect he has had on the team as a whole.
    Or Tyler has struggled the last 3 games, therefore has gotten inconsistent minutes. Why do so many here always blame Casey when guys play poorly? Tyler brings great energy and toughness, but he's a black hole -11 freakin assists in 748 minutes! Even Hayes has 18 in less than half the playing time. If Tyler is effective, Casey plays him. But if he's not, he doesn't bring much else to the table.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Fwiw, every time I read the title of this thread "soft inside" I automatically think vagina.
    go on
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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Lol, Amir is clearly not 210. which is why Casey dumps him in as the C for small ball. Further, he anchors the D; it's not his defense that needs upgrading, it's finding someone with more post offense.

    The bigger problem is Chuck Hayes not being able to block shots. Positionally he's great, but with Val still learning the ropes, lane intimidation/rim protection is our biggest weakness.
    He does this because he's our best big.

    But on the whole, he's too small. Anytime we play a team with 2 legit starting bigs, we tend to get hurt down low
    Last edited by JimiCliff; Tue Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:22 PM.

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    Quote Dr. James Naismith wrote: View Post
    Just merged this with the same topic as yesterday ezz.
    Thanks, didn't notice that someone beat me to it.
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    Soft doesnt have to mean wimpy..... soft means the interior is soft, easy to penetrate and have your way. Its soft as you can penetrate and score at will, and that makes you feel confident, and good, and teams will learn to fall in love with the penetration.


    vagina

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