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planetmars wrote: View PostIf the Pacers lose in the first or second round, I wonder what they will do as an organization?
George's max deal kicks in next year. Hibbert is already on one. Stephenson is a UFA. Turner is an RFA. They won't want to pay luxury tax since they are a smaller market team. Don't have a first round pick. Hill and West are both locked in for 3 years and 2 years respectively (West has a player option in his final year but I doubt he uses it).
Vogel I think is the first to go, which is unfortunate for him because I think he's actually a really good coach.
But makes you wonder if the Pacers would ever consider moving either Hibbert or George? Could make a move like that more out of desperation than anything.
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Primer wrote: View PostI think Indy would go for minor tweaks as opposed to blowing it up or firing Vogel. If they improved the PG position it would do wonders for them. They don't wanna pull a Knicks and ruin your chemistry and future for someone like Bargs.
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Vogel doesn't deserve to be fired.. I'll be disappointed in their organization if he's let go this summer. He's basically built that team into a contender, he shouldn't be taking the fall for a roster that looks like they don't know how to play basketball at some points. Roster changes would be more ideal IMO.Twitter - @thekid_it
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planetmars wrote: View PostStephenson might just leave in free agency so that's a major tweak already. Turner is looking more and more like a scrub as well. I agree they need to upgrade their PG but Hill is locked up for 3 more years at $8M per. Who's going to want him in a trade?
I agree Hill would be pretty difficult to trade with that deal, but they'd get more use out of him than we do out of Landry Fields, and they make almost the same money.
Also, I think letting Stephenson and Turner go in FA will be a plus. They need someone who plays more within himself next to George.
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Primer wrote: View PostEveryone jumping the damn gun. Indiana is 0.5 games back of Miami, and we're 1 game back of Chicago, and we own the tiebreaker. We have 3 games left, playoff seeding is still very much up in the air.
The bright side of us losing to the Knicks is that they're still in playoff contention, and their next game is against Chicago. If we had knocked them out of playoff contention, they might not put up much of a fight against the Bulls, but instead they'll be playing for their playoff lives. Just gotta root for Miami to beat Atlanta tonight to keep the Knicks playoff hopes alive.
I really hope the Knicks playoff hopes come down to the last game of the season and we put an epic beating on them, sealing the 3rd seed and knocking the Knicks out of the playoffs at the same damn time.
Raptors rising to the no.3 again is realistic, though.
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BobLoblaw wrote: View PostIndiana stinks right now and they are facing OKC next. Miami has a relatively easy schedule. I think they will get the 1st seed by at least 2 games. It would be a minor miracle if the Pacers get it.
Raptors rising to the no.3 again is realistic, though.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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isaacthompson wrote: View PostVogel doesn't deserve to be fired.. I'll be disappointed in their organization if he's let go this summer. He's basically built that team into a contender, he shouldn't be taking the fall for a roster that looks like they don't know how to play basketball at some points. Roster changes would be more ideal IMO.
Maybe they have great playoffs and turn it around, and all of this goes away.. for now. If they look terrible in the playoffs too, I won't be surprised by anything. Well, except that George won't get moved and West probably can't get moved without seriously downgrading. Lance might be gone as a free agent, but it's Hibbert who's showing the worst body language right now. That said, Hibbert will be on an expiring contract, a rental, so while that's another argument for trading him, it will also diminish his trade value. There might be no fair value offers even if they wanted to trade him.
Firing a coach is an easier thing to do. Rick Carlisle was a great coach too until he lost his team some years ago, and then the Pacers fired him. It wouldn't be very surprising.
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GLF wrote: View PostRaptors getting 3rd is still realistic but I think it's unlikely. Chicago has been playing so well and they don't have defensive slippage ever like we have. If we just played D yesterday we would have won. All Chicago has to do is play D the way they always play it and they win their last three games. Also them knowing that if they win the last three games they for sure get the 3rd seed will just motivate them even more. Not that they needed it because they play so hard all the time. Time will tell, but we should have controlled our own destiny instead of having to hope others lose. You get what you deserve and if Chicago wins their last three games they deserve it.
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Primer wrote: View PostApparently you weren't watching Detroit score on Chicago at will yesterday all first half. They still pulled through, but to say they don't have defensive slippage just isn't true. Detroit had nothing to play for. NY and Charlotte both have something to play for, and Orlando has been a tough out lately. Chicago has by no means wrapped up the 3rd seed as the Raptors defeatists would like us to believe.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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GLF wrote: View PostThis is very true. But when I said slippage I meant it in terms of it following them from game to game. Throughout a game everyone has moments where their defense slips I understand that, but chicago doesn't let it go on for a month or weeks like the stats say we have. It will be for part of a game at most. That's how it was for us early on I don't know what happened. I guess it's was the injuries. So let's see what happens in these last three games where everyone is playing.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostYou can't hold Raptors to Bulls standard. Our NetRtg is still positive even though our defense slipped. That's why we've been winning. But our best month of defense is nowhere close to Bulls. They are just better.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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