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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    Not sure I understand...Sure, the West teams get to beat up on the shitty east teams, but the Raptors, Nets, Bulls, Wizards and Bobcats get to do it up to twice as often..where as the west teams beat up on each other.

    Agree that the 3-7 seeds in the east have all improved significantly over the season though.
    Note the slow starts I mentioned. If Horford didn't get injured, ATL would have likely continued playing well, and certainly would have finished above .500, and likely in the top5. Rose's injury certainly slowed the Bulls, and they looked like they were lottery bound until Deng got traded and Noah woke up saying no tank, no tank. The Raps were a .333 team until Rudy got traded. WAS started slow as well, and I think the Cats were 10 games or more under at one point. If those teams had started the season playing like they are now, I suspect the East would have produced at least 4 50 win teams, maybe 5. Some of those wins would have come against West opponents, reducing their win totals. For example, the Raps lost to Houston, Portland, Denver, Golden State, and Phoenix in those first 18 games with Rudy. All decent to good/great teams, but teams we are more capable of beating now than at the beginning of the season. I haven't looked at the schedules for the other teams, but I'm sure one could find similar examples for them too. Point is though that playoff teams in the East are better than their records indicate.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    Note the slow starts I mentioned. If Horford didn't get injured, ATL would have likely continued playing well, and certainly would have finished above .500, and likely in the top5. Rose's injury certainly slowed the Bulls, and they looked like they were lottery bound until Deng got traded and Noah woke up saying no tank, no tank. The Raps were a .333 team until Rudy got traded. WAS started slow as well, and I think the Cats were 10 games or more under at one point. If those teams had started the season playing like they are now, I suspect the East would have produced at least 4 50 win teams, maybe 5. Some of those wins would have come against West opponents, reducing their win totals. For example, the Raps lost to Houston, Portland, Denver, Golden State, and Phoenix in those first 18 games with Rudy. All decent to good/great teams, but teams we are more capable of beating now than at the beginning of the season. I haven't looked at the schedules for the other teams, but I'm sure one could find similar examples for them too. Point is though that playoff teams in the East are better than their records indicate.
    sure, and if rudy gay were traded before the season started, we might have 60 wins. so what. records are what they are now, regardless of any 'slow starts' for any team. if portland didn't have a 'slow finish', they might be the top of the west right now.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    Note the slow starts I mentioned. If Horford didn't get injured, ATL would have likely continued playing well, and certainly would have finished above .500, and likely in the top5. Rose's injury certainly slowed the Bulls, and they looked like they were lottery bound until Deng got traded and Noah woke up saying no tank, no tank. The Raps were a .333 team until Rudy got traded. WAS started slow as well, and I think the Cats were 10 games or more under at one point. If those teams had started the season playing like they are now, I suspect the East would have produced at least 4 50 win teams, maybe 5. Some of those wins would have come against West opponents, reducing their win totals. For example, the Raps lost to Houston, Portland, Denver, Golden State, and Phoenix in those first 18 games with Rudy. All decent to good/great teams, but teams we are more capable of beating now than at the beginning of the season. I haven't looked at the schedules for the other teams, but I'm sure one could find similar examples for them too. Point is though that playoff teams in the East are better than their records indicate.
    I never argued this. I agree the 3-7 seeds in the east have all improved significantly over the course of the season, and prior to the season I expected big things from what I thought would be the top 4 east teams ( Mia, Chi, Ind, Bkn in that order) Particularly the bulls. Rose looked great in the pre season, but then the season came around and that was just a mirage, he wasn't right, and then broke down again.

    I was just questioning this statement.

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    The main reason why so many West teams have such good records isn't that they are clearly superior teams, it's just that there are so many shitty teams in the East to beat up on. 9 Teams in the East are pretty bad.
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    Since I don't get how that favours west teams over east teams in any way, since obviously the east teams play those garbage teams far more. Toronto has played mostly shit teams for quite a while now.

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    I never argued this. I agree the 3-7 seeds in the east have all improved significantly over the course of the season, and prior to the season I expected big things from what I thought would be the top 4 east teams ( Mia, Chi, Ind, Bkn in that order) Particularly the bulls. Rose looked great in the pre season, but then the season came around and that was just a mirage, he wasn't right, and then broke down again.

    I was just questioning this statement.



    Since I don't get how that favours west teams over east teams in any way, since obviously the east teams play those garbage teams far more. Toronto has played mostly shit teams for quite a while now.
    Myself, personally would put Toronto in front of Miami in that standings order

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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    Myself, personally would put Toronto in front of Miami in that standings order
    Rudy Gay for MVP ?

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    Rudy Gay for MVP ?
    This would be ideal. Yes

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