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    Talking about character, Dante Cunningham was arrested Friday accused of choking his girlfriend, then arrested again Saturday for making "terrorist threats".

    Thought I recalled the name and sure enough, back in January Kevin Love had publicly called out a couple of his teammates for not bothering to stand up and join the rest of the team during time outs. One was Barea, the other Cunningham.
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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Seems pretty evident that character is not an issue with Lowry. It also seems evident that he has banged heads with past coaches and with Casey early in his tenure here. It also seems clear that MU (and Casey?) sat down and had a talk with him. A guy without character wouldn't have turned it around like he did. Attitude is one thing, and attitudes can change more easily than character. I would say Lowry's attitude has changed.
    That's my point though. If you are steering away from a draft pick because of their reputation without giving them a chance to show you they can correct their previous mistakes then you could be loseing out on a really talented player. Lowry came in with all sorts of red flags...his rep kept him from making it as an All Star this year as a lot of coaches didn't vote for him to get in, but look at what a great team mate he is and his play has been outstanding.

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    Quote jpapa wrote: View Post
    There is an old saying in basketball:

    "If you want to have a great team, your best players have to be your hardest workers"

    For years Toronto has suffered being a no-effort team. Even with an entire city willing them on, not since the Garbo days have you had a team leadership that have busted their butts. Even an effort player like DeRozan could not turn it around alone because I think he was regarded by the players as an up-and-comer....not part of the leadership group. i.e. They had no effective leadership group with senior players like Bargs, O'Neil and Turk....I mean who would follow them anywhere as they were terrible examples of "effort" players.

    Now they have a committed Lowry, who with Johnson and a more senior DeRozan have formed that leadership group. Patterson has been a great addition to this "effort" group and then you have vets like Hayes and Salmons for the young guys like JV and Ross to follow.

    That leadership group is crucial. If they can kick the door down, the rest will follow them through. It is the character of this leadership group that is essential, and I think MU knows how important it is to preserve this group. If the do not resign Lowry, then they will need a similar character to him.... the team has really adopted his attitude in particular, and I am not sure there too many like him in the NBA. Younger guys coming in, or even players acquired in trades, will feel the pressure to conform to the effort principles of this group ....unless they get some recalcitrant. But then I think MU knows this as well, so he will be vetting possible players carefully wanting to add to this hard-won and long overdue culture, not put it at risk.

    I keep seeing items on this site wanting marquee trades, but I would hope MU will keep this core group and trust the coaching staff to develop the JV's and Ross's + draft picks into class players. I am not from Toronto, but I get the feeling this city needs an effort team first to reflect its own character. You have one now. Don't trade that away for some " it's all about me" player who puts up good numbers.
    Welcome to RR. I agree leadership is an important quality and the rest of the team will mimic it's leader. One of the reasons why Toronto will have to overpay Lowry to stay.

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    All this talk about "character" (and I concur it is a broad term)....however MU speaks of "laziness" as being the big red flag (which I go along with) but then in the same interview he gushes about Wince and wanting him back. Sorry, there is a disconnect here.

    Carter was never known for his prodigious efforts in training and game improvement and shirked being a leader. Whatever he was came easy to him it was to use a BC term "organic". His elevation and dunks and athleticism was just there. Carter himself confirmed this in his "infamous" interview with John Thompson:

    " when asked by TNT's John Thompson, "Do you think Vince Carter has pushed himself as hard as he should have pushed himself?", Carter replied, "In years past, no. I was just fortunate enough to have the talent....".

    This interview I believe occurred the following year after the trade. Make of it what you may. I'll give MU benefit of the doubt here. He is bowing to Leiweke's wishes on the perceived PR benefits.
    It may be that Carter has learned something in the intervening decade. In the "Vince Carter" thread I link to a Point Forward article that lists carter as #86 in the top 100 players of 2014. At 38 you don't make that list unless you are working hard. Crazy athletic ability isn't enough by itself.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    That's my point though. If you are steering away from a draft pick because of their reputation without giving them a chance to show you they can correct their previous mistakes then you could be loseing out on a really talented player. Lowry came in with all sorts of red flags...his rep kept him from making it as an All Star this year as a lot of coaches didn't vote for him to get in, but look at what a great team mate he is and his play has been outstanding.
    I think attitude is one of the easiest things to turn around. You can learn to look on the positive side of things; you can learn to respect authority; I think it is very hard to learn how to be a hard worker. That requires a certain drive. Same thing with competitiveness. Just my opinion.

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