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    Default New Head Coach

    If Vogel, Mark Jackson, Brooke's are fired and Jeff Van Gundy,Stan Van Gundy , George Karl available who should try to bring in as Head Coach

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    A van Gundy or Ollie
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    Toronto should try a Phil Jackson type move to bring in an elite coach like Jeff Van Gundy.What is the use of bringing in players to play under Casey.

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    I'd look at Chip Engelland and Chad Forcier. Both are longtime Spurs assistant coaches. I like what Atlanta is doing with Budenholzer. Speaking of which, Atlanta assistant Quin Snyder is another top candidate.

    Knowing Masai, he probably has new head coach in mind already.
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    The new head coach has to be a long term solution. Getting an assistant from the Spurs sounds good.Maybe one of Thibs assistants

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    I'm so hgasppy someone hates Casey as much has I do

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    I'm also completely fine with promoting Nurse or Bayno. Masai knew what he was doing when he hired them. I'm particularly high on Nurse as a possible head coach. He's won coach of the year awards in every league he's coached in, had a ton of success at two different D-League teams (best record and title), and has completely revamped the Raptors offense.

    Hiring Nurse would also provide some continuity while also providing a new direction.
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    Even though this kind of thread has popped up a lot over the last couple of years, at this point in time it's premature. Casey isn't fired yet, and the most recent time Masai spoke publicly about him was to support him and say they want to bring him back.

    Vogel, Brooks and Jackson are coaches who I'm not convinced are better than Casey in any way. Karl is a terribly overrated coach. Jeff Van Gundy is ok, but his teams play ugly ball and I'm not convinced he's really an elite coach. I think Stan is the best option, but he's laying back and waiting for a perfect situation...is that Toronto? You'd have to convince him.

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    Honestly I have no idea how to go about finding a coach. I think a good start would be to identify a certain set of core coaching philosophies and go from there.

    Personally I would like to see a head coach that values:

    1) rebounding
    2) getting into the paint (via drive and high/low post)
    3) defense
    4) celebrates the pass (zero tolerance for hero ball, absolutely zero)
    5) is firm in the above 4 philosophies

    Personally Casey has #3. I would like to see better for the Raps.

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    The disrespect is ridiculous. But whatever, pretty sure(99% sure) Masai will bring Casey back next year. And i think bringing him back is the right move.

    Reading this forum the last few months, i have an idea why Raptors fans here hate Casey. But the problem w/ some people here is, they always talk about the bad things than the good things. Casey has done more good things to this team than bad.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    The disrespect is ridiculous. But whatever, pretty sure(99% sure) Masai will bring Casey back next year. And i think bringing him back is the right move.

    Reading this forum the last few months, i have an idea why Raptors fans here hate Casey. But the problem w/ some people here is, they always talk about the bad things than the good things. Casey has done more good things to this team than bad.
    He has learned. Still issues.

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    One thing few critics understand, and none of us actually know, are the dynamics between Casey and the FO. Planetmars posted an article which contained a bit about the Raps use of analytics. Is Casey incorporating the the advice he's being given?

    If he is and that advice doesn't correspond to our ideas, what we think are negatives about his decision making would be looked on as positives by Masai.

    If he isn't, he may be gone even with a successful playoff run. (see Hollins, Lionel).

    Since I've heard zero about any discord between Casey and Masai, I'm assuming Coach Casey is back and this thread is moot.

    Edit - On a side note, any thread that concerns advanced stats is sparingly commented on, despite the fact they have become highly valued in many organizations and especially the Raptors. Looking at RPM stats, Caseys rotations made more sense than if I hadn't seen them. If we had access to the Raptors analytics, I would bet Casey's decisions would even make more sense. Except for Fields, WTF is with him and Casey?
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    The disrespect is ridiculous. But whatever, pretty sure(99% sure) Masai will bring Casey back next year. And i think bringing him back is the right move.

    Reading this forum the last few months, i have an idea why Raptors fans here hate Casey. But the problem w/ some people here is, they always talk about the bad things than the good things. Casey has done more good things to this team than bad.
    More good than bad? Sure. Is that good enough to be the head coach? Fuck no. The amount of "bad" Casey does is enough to never be a championship head coach, which is what we should be looking for. If you wanna contend for a title in 2016 you better hope Casey isn't our head coach.

    The fact Casey heavily relies on Nurse to design the offensive sets shows just how ill equipped to be a head coach he really is. Defense is more of an assistant coaches role. You need a head coach who can draw up plays and out think the other coach. Casey isn't that guy.

    Short of beating Miami, Casey isn't getting rehired.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    The disrespect is ridiculous. But whatever, pretty sure(99% sure) Masai will bring Casey back next year. And i think bringing him back is the right move.

    Reading this forum the last few months, i have an idea why Raptors fans here hate Casey. But the problem w/ some people here is, they always talk about the bad things than the good things. Casey has done more good things to this team than bad.
    Developing talent and building a winning culture. Isn't that what we all wanted out of a coach? Nah, let's just can him and hope someone else magically makes the team even better. It's not like their success has anything to do with coaching anyway...

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    Quote wallz wrote: View Post
    Developing talent and building a winning culture. Isn't that what we all wanted out of a coach? Nah, let's just can him and hope someone else magically makes the team even better. It's not like their success has anything to do with coaching anyway...
    It has a lot to do with coaching, assistant coaching, as in the new assistant coaches that Masai forced on Casey this year are why Casey finally doesn't look like shit.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    More good than bad? Sure. Is that good enough to be the head coach? Fuck no. The amount of "bad" Casey does is enough to never be a championship head coach, which is what we should be looking for. If you wanna contend for a title in 2016 you better hope Casey isn't our head coach.

    The fact Casey heavily relies on Nurse to design the offensive sets shows just how ill equipped to be a head coach he really is. Defense is more of an assistant coaches role. You need a head coach who can draw up plays and out think the other coach. Casey isn't that guy.

    Short of beating Miami, Casey isn't getting rehired.
    Simple response...Tex Winter, triangle offence, Phil Jackson.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    More good than bad? Sure. Is that good enough to be the head coach? Fuck no. The amount of "bad" Casey does is enough to never be a championship head coach, which is what we should be looking for. If you wanna contend for a title in 2016 you better hope Casey isn't our head coach.

    The fact Casey heavily relies on Nurse to design the offensive sets shows just how ill equipped to be a head coach he really is. Defense is more of an assistant coaches role. You need a head coach who can draw up plays and out think the other coach. Casey isn't that guy.

    Short of beating Miami, Casey isn't getting rehired.
    They don't have a contending product on the floor, so no top tier coach is coming here anytime soon. This team has already overachieved, why does Casey have to coach them to a huge upset over Miami just to keep his job?

    I say roll with this coaching staff (they seem to work well together) until a big name coach wants to come, which will only happen when the team is close to contending (ie 2016, fingers crossed). Or maybe this staff will keep improving, who knows

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Simple response...Tex Winter, triangle offence, Phil Jackson.
    Phil Jackson hired Winter. He recognized the genius is what he was doing and hired him, while simultaneously becoming a devotee of the triangle offense (Phil is a master of the triangle himself). That's the sign of a good head coach. Casey is clueless.

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    Toronto is very young and has multiple draft picks. It wouilkd be a shamne too lket it go to waste on a bad coach. The longer MU waits the harder it is to get rid of Casey. Hollins is a good comparison, Memphis looks better after firing him.Without injuries they could have challenged the Spurs and Clippers for top seed.

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