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    GV can shoot he ball, why are so many people crapping on him about not being able to shoot. He has questionable shot selection (hurts his over all fg%) at times, but in his 2 years with Toronto he shot .389% and .379% from 3 point land.
    4.3 3PA per game. Dude shouldn't be taking that many.
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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    GV can shoot he ball, why are so many people crapping on him about not being able to shoot. He has questionable shot selection (hurts his over all fg%) at times, but in his 2 years with Toronto he shot .389% and .379% from 3 point land.
    Maybe it's because he isn't a "shooter" or "sniper" so to speak. His % isn't bad, but he's a pretty streaky shooter. Not the most reliable shooter.

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    Maybe it's because he isn't a "shooter" or "sniper" so to speak. His % isn't bad, but he's a pretty streaky shooter. Not the most reliable shooter.
    He may be a little streaky, but he is one of the Raptors best 3 point shooters...
    Grevis 37.9%

    Lowry 33.8%
    DeMar 28.4%
    Lou 34%
    Ross 37.2
    Amir 41.3% (.6 attempts per game)
    Patterson 37.1%

    Only guy shooting better is Amir, and we know that if he took 2-3 a game his percentages would drop like a stone.

    I think Grevis is taking a lot of heat for our poor performance down the stretch and in the playoffs....but we had a tonne of guys who shit the bed worse than GV.
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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    He may be a little streaky, but he is one of the Raptors best 3 point shooters...
    Grevis 37.9%

    Lowry 33.8%
    DeMar 28.4%
    Lou 34%
    Ross 37.2
    Amir 41.3% (.6 attempts per game)
    Patterson 37.1%

    Only guy shooting better is Amir, and we know that if he took 2-3 a game his percentages would drop like a stone.

    I think Grevis is taking a lot of heat for our poor performance down the stretch and in the playoffs....but we had a tonne of guys who shit the bed worse than GV.
    I agree. Can't place too much blame on any one player - it's shared by all of them and the coach. The crappy play was a real team effort. Some of those quick shots would be fine in small doses or with more focus within the offense. There's a place for some Jamal Crawford offense within a system.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    He may be a little streaky, but he is one of the Raptors best 3 point shooters...
    Grevis 37.9%

    Lowry 33.8%
    DeMar 28.4%
    Lou 34%
    Ross 37.2
    Amir 41.3% (.6 attempts per game)
    Patterson 37.1%

    Only guy shooting better is Amir, and we know that if he took 2-3 a game his percentages would drop like a stone.

    I think Grevis is taking a lot of heat for our poor performance down the stretch and in the playoffs....but we had a tonne of guys who shit the bed worse than GV.
    I don't really see it that way though. He played some of his best ball down the stretch and in the playoffs. I blame him for nothing except his own limitations and bad habits, which have been frustrating since he got here. I mean, it is better to have him over someone who's just a total shit player. He can contribute, at least on the offensive end.

    Yes, Greivis shoots a very respectable 3%...However, streakiness is a huge negative when trying to make an actual game plan. It leads to a lot of variance from game to game in terms of performance, and thus isn't something you can plan on expecting on any given night, especially in our team's 'system' that pretty much creates no easy looks for anyone (when %s mean more for gameplanning, because makes are coming from consistent, repeatable looks).
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    If I am coaching a defence, GV from deep doesn't scare me. He will got 0-6 in a stretch and not bat an eye.

    Point is, GV doesn't provide enough outside shooting to warrant playing him at SG or SF with Lou and/or KL. Play the point guard at point and let the SF small SF.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    If I am coaching a defence, GV from deep doesn't scare me. He will got 0-6 in a stretch and not bat an eye.

    Point is, GV doesn't provide enough outside shooting to warrant playing him at SG or SF with Lou and/or KL. Play the point guard at point and let the SF small SF.
    If I am coaching a defense against Toronto's no ball movement isocentric offense no shooters scare me. GV will miss a bunch of shots that are rushed or are off the bounce, but when his feet are set and he is shooting off of ball reversals or kick-outs he is a good shooter. GV should be a PG on a roster that provides spacing and ball movement, he was set up to have a less than effective season with the Raptors ball stalling offense.
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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    If I am coaching a defense against Toronto's no ball movement isocentric offense no shooters scare me. GV will miss a bunch of shots that are rushed or are off the bounce, but when his feet are set and he is shooting off of ball reversals or kick-outs he is a good shooter. GV should be a PG on a roster that provides spacing and ball movement, he was set up to have a less than effective season with the Raptors ball stalling offense.
    Completely agree with what you are saying. But remember that the conversation of GV's shooting started around the premise of the 3 guard lineups.

    Is GV a good enough shooter to warrant playing 3 guards together at the expense of any perimeter defence? I think we both can agree that he isn't. Of the three, GV is the least lethal offensive option, so he shouldn't be out there. And this is the GV thread, hence the lack of conversation regarding KL and Lou's ineptitude.
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    Completely agree with what you are saying. But remember that the conversation of GV's shooting started around the premise of the 3 guard lineups.

    Is GV a good enough shooter to warrant playing 3 guards together at the expense of any perimeter defence? I think we both can agree that he isn't. Of the three, GV is the least lethal offensive option, so he shouldn't be out there. And this is the GV thread, hence the lack of conversation regarding KL and Lou's ineptitude.
    Sometime GV shouldn't be playing in a one guard lineup

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    Quote raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Sometime GV shouldn't be playing in a one guard lineup
    99% of the time, nobody in the league is playing a one guard lineup.

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    Quote Mindlessness wrote: View Post
    99% of the time, nobody in the league is playing a one guard lineup.
    OKC and the Bucks. Lots of teams don't have a real SG and play SF as ballhandlers. Even Cavs aren't playing a two true guard line up and Houston doesn't really use a PG

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    Just watched gvs end of year interview. This guy breaths fire. Everthing he said i agree with.

    He said the media gives casey too much shit. He said that the players need to be men and take accontability because they are, grown ass men after all. He said its more on him and his teamates than it is on casey. A coach is only responsible to a certain point.

    He also made a pretty interestong point. He said they were a solid defensive team two years. And a solid offensive team this past year. He said the third year could be the year they puth both the solid offense and defence together. Makes sense.
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    He's going to be traded. I hope.
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    Just watched gvs end of year interview. This guy breaths fire. Everthing he said i agree with.

    He said the media gives casey too much shit. He said that the players need to be men and take accontability because they are, grown ass men after all. He said its more on him and his teamates than it is on casey. A coach is only responsible to a certain point.

    He also made a pretty interestong point. He said they were a solid defensive team two years. And a solid offensive team this past year. He said the third year could be the year they puth both the solid offense and defence together. Makes sense.
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    He's going to be traded. I hope.
    All this pisses me off, because all season the players and the coach refused to adjust and spoke super defensively while the team spiraled downward at both ends of the floor. "We just have to try harder" and "those are shots we usually make" and "#ProveEm" was the only shit we heard when it mattered and when there was still time to make adjustments. Then AFTER it's all over they blame themselves and blame each other and refer to these problems (discussed here all year) when it's TOO LATE to do anything about it.

    It was Casey's job to address the issues. It was the guards' job to pass the damn ball instead of jacking stupid shots. It was everybodys job to play like they gave a damn in the playoffs. They not only didn't do it, they defended what they were doing when the media questions started getting more pointed and critical towards the end of the year. And now they admit there were problems with the way the played. F.U.

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