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    Wasn't too sure where to post this thread, but watching the first game and during the regular season, it seems that our 4 spot is a kind of enigma; it can sometimes look like the best part of our team, with Amir and Patterson, but their weaknesses are exposed a lot of times, which is a non-existant back-to-the-basket play from either. I read last summer about a couple of articles talking about how the Raptors could target Millsap, and the more I think about it, the more I like it. Millsap's a tough, tough, player, even an All-Star this year. He's a bit undersized, but he would have been perfect this series guarding Pierce, and also taking advantage of him on offense. I would personally like to keep Amir as a first big-man off the bench, so Patterson would likely be gone. I love him, but him and Millsap's game are pretty similar, but Paul's game is obviously better and more defined. Any thoughts on this? Should Masai push for some sort of trade for him in the summer, or even wait until next year when he's a FA?

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    The price for Millsap would be high. And likely create new holes to be filled. I haven't been a big fan of this idea for awhile, mainly because I think the cost in pieces will result in pretty much a lateral move in the end, just with a team that plays a bit differently.

    And the price will be as high as ever, as Millsap is the only all-star on a better contract, and also expiring after next season, than DeMar (discounting rookie-scale deals of course).

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    If we could score Milsap for Amir/2 2nd Rounders/Pieces, or something along the lines, I'd be all over it (Sorry Amir).
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    What would we trade for him? And why bother trading him in the summer just to have him for a single year?


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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    If we could score Milsap for Amir/2 2nd Rounders/Pieces, or something along the lines, I'd be all over it (Sorry Amir).
    That's just not happening. Atlanta would be crazy to give him up for anything other than a couple of prime assets. If Amir is outgoing, likely the pieces are something like Ross + a 1st rounder. I mean, why would Atlanta even shop him in the first place? They'd need a godfather offer, which would totally screw us.

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    My best guess is that if Millsap becomes available for anything resembling a sensible offer, it would be after next season has already started....

    -Atlanta starts the year badly
    -By January they look to be all but out of the playoff picture
    -They want to save money and gain some young pieces *EDIT: rather they want to keep at least the sameish amount of money expiring while gaining future-oriented pieces

    Then maybe you can trade something like Hayes (or even possibly Fields' expiring deal) + our 2014 draftee (whoever that ends up being) and possibly another 1st rounder or a couple of second rounders.....
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    If the price is going to be high, then why not go higher an try and pry Kevin Love away from the Wolves. Not like that team is going to make any noise anytime soon. Just a matter of time before he starts getting antsy if he isn't already.

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    Guyssss this is the playoffs now, no more talking about trading damnnnnnnn.

    Besides why are u praising a guy we could potentially face in the east final. Granted Atlanta can beat the wiz in the second round lmao
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    Millsap or Love, wouldn't it just be better to go after these guys in Free Agency? Both would command a high price, and both would only be here for a single season before the option to bolt. Trading for these guys would be a mistake IMO.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    Millsap or Love, wouldn't it just be better to go after these guys in Free Agency? Both would command a high price, and both would only be here for a single season before the option to bolt. Trading for these guys would be a mistake IMO.
    I agree! Why not wait until they hit free agency? It's never a good idea for teams to give up good young players and draft picks for someone who can bolt after the season.

    What we should do is try to get Deng (6'9") as he'll be a free agent this summer and we'll be able to match him up with Pierce/James or even play small ball PF. He seems like the player to go after and his year wasn't great, so the asking price will be lower than Millsap. He's also only 29 so he has a few more years left in him. I doubt he would want to stay in Cleveland.....obviously if they throw BIG $$$ at him, then he might. If i were him i'd run from Cleveland and never look back!

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    Millsap or Love, wouldn't it just be better to go after these guys in Free Agency? Both would command a high price, and both would only be here for a single season before the option to bolt. Trading for these guys would be a mistake IMO.
    Trading for Love can't be called a mistake 'cause it's almost impossible. Millsapp would be possible and would not be a mistake. Whoever he's traded for would not be missed as far as the long term success of the team is concerned. If Millsapp agrees to an extension, Amir or Fields plus a protected 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder would be a fair price IMO. If he doesn't agree to an extension, I don't think Raps. can offer anything that would entice Atlanta.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Trading for Love can't be called a mistake 'cause it's almost impossible. Millsapp would be possible and would not be a mistake. Whoever he's traded for would not be missed as far as the long term success of the team is concerned. If Millsapp agrees to an extension, Amir or Fields plus a protected 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder would be a fair price IMO. If he doesn't agree to an extension, I don't think Raps. can offer anything that would entice Atlanta.
    Millsap can't sign an extension.

    I think Millsap is a viable 2015 free agency target. Trade, not so much. Atlanta has a good shot to re-sign him, so they have no reason to trade him at a big discount.

    As for Love, he's obviously going to be a trade target for a lot of teams, probably including the Raptors. There's little that I wouldn't offer in a trade.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    Millsap can't sign an extension.

    I think Millsap is a viable 2015 free agency target. Trade, not so much. Atlanta has a good shot to re-sign him, so they have no reason to trade him at a big discount.

    As for Love, he's obviously going to be a trade target for a lot of teams, probably including the Raptors. There's little that I wouldn't offer in a trade.
    "Millsapp can't sign an extension". Are you saying that because he has an option?

    I feel Love can't be acquired because it's pretty much a foregone conclusion he'll leave at the end of the year. Giving up a few good draft picks (which is what he'll cost) is not risk Raptors would take.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    "Millsapp can't sign an extension". Are you saying that because he has an option?

    I feel Love can't be acquired because it's pretty much a foregone conclusion he'll leave at the end of the year. Giving up a few good draft picks (which is what he'll cost) is not risk Raptors would take.
    Contracts can't be extended for 3 years after signing them, and Millsap's contract is only 2 years in total, so extension won't be possible.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    Contracts can't be extended for 3 years after signing them, and Millsap's contract is only 2 years in total, so extension won't be possible.

    Oh I see. Thanks.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Trading for Love can't be called a mistake 'cause it's almost impossible. Millsapp would be possible and would not be a mistake. Whoever he's traded for would not be missed as far as the long term success of the team is concerned. If Millsapp agrees to an extension, Amir or Fields plus a protected 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder would be a fair price IMO. If he doesn't agree to an extension, I don't think Raps. can offer anything that would entice Atlanta.
    If you think you can get Millsap for one of Amir or Fields (seriously?) and a protected 1st than I don't know what to say to you. No that wouldn't be a mistake unless you're the GM of ATL. That's not happening. If the Raps were to trade for Millsap it would take Derozan IMO. And that would be a mistake given Millsap will have only a single year commited to the club.

    As for Love, it would take even more to get him out of Minny than Millsap out of ATL. Whether it's actually possible is irrelevant to the idea that a trade would be a mistake. Again, he has the option to leave after a season, so why give up many assets for a season rental? Either of these guys would be bad to trade for simply because of their contract situations and impending free agency.

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    I really don't see the reason to sacrifice much for ANY big name unless they're a top-10 or maybe 15ish type player. This team is too young and still relatively undefined to go adding a central piece without fully knowing what you have in Ross, Val, and to a degree even DeRozan still. It's great to be competing in the playoffs now, but they're still not in the same stratosphere as championship contenders and a guy like Millsap isn't going to fix that. Better to be patient, wait a couple of seasons and then cash in on the team's new found respectability when it can land you a true difference maker. Players may seem set in their situations right now, but things change quickly season to season.

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    Is Paul Millsap more valuable than Amir Johnson? There is very little in the way of advanced analytics available to us, but what I've seen says no. Amir is also younger, cheaper next year and extendable.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Is Paul Millsap more valuable than Amir Johnson? There is very little in the way of advanced analytics available to us, but what I've seen says no. Amir is also younger, cheaper next year and extendable.
    I was high on Millsap this past offseason, but I want Toronto to pursue a more traditional PF, who can consistently post-up and work guys over down low. If Toronto had such a player to pair with Valanciunas, this series with Brooklyn would be a walk in the park, since PP can't guard that type of PF of the defensive end. This series has really highlighted the weakness of Toronto's PF position. Amir and Patterson are both excellent backup PFs / 3rd bigs, but they aren't difference makers.

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    Prefer Thad Young to Milsap. Too small for 4 too slow for 3. Good player but has flaws and expensive.

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