Everything Tyler Hansbrough

[planetmars]

If Tyler is shooting 3's who's grabbing the offensive rebound? With Amir you have JV. With Tyler you're probably going to see either Greg Steismsa or Chuck Hayes out there with him.. and neither are great at it.

[chico]

If Tyler is shooting 3's who's grabbing the offensive rebound? With Amir you have JV. With Tyler you're probably going to see either Greg Steismsa or Chuck Hayes out there with him.. and neither are great at it.

Offensive rebounds is far from an end-all, and one of the least priorities of a defense first team.
- The top ORB team last year was Detroit, and the top ORB player was the over-the-top selfish, excessively overrated Drummond. Their record was 29-53
- Another top ORB team (6th) was the Kings. Their record was 28-54
- At #7 & #8: Boston (25-57) and Bucks (15-67)

On the other hand,
- the worst ORB team was Miami (54-28) and a finalist
- another of the worst (26th) was the Spurs (62-20), the champs

Chasing offensive rebounds, even grabbing them out of teammates' hands a la Drummond, often compromises the defense, and is why many top teams don't emphasize it much, in particular when guys like Hansbrough, Hayes, Steimsma are on the floor primarily to hold down the fort defensively.

[iblastoff]

Offensive rebounds is far from an end-all, and one of the least priorities of a defense first team.
- The top ORB team last year was Detroit, and the top ORB player was the over-the-top selfish, excessively overrated Drummond. Their record was 29-53
- Another top ORB team (6th) was the Kings. Their record was 28-54
- At #7 & #8: Boston (25-57) and Bucks (15-67)

On the other hand,
- the worst ORB team was Miami (54-28) and a finalist
- another of the worst (26th) was the Spurs (62-20), the champs

Chasing offensive rebounds, even grabbing them out of teammates' hands a la Drummond, often compromises the defense, and is why many top teams don't emphasize it much, in particular when guys like Hansbrough, Hayes, Steimsma are on the floor primarily to hold down the fort defensively.

offensive rebounds work for a team like the raptors, who are obviously a perimeter scoring volume shooting team with lowry and derozan being our main arsenals. both of which will miss more than they will sink it, hence needing amir/hansborough/JV to clean up.

spurs are the champs, yep. but they also take insanely smarter shots than we do. and with the heat, well you have lebron. if you're getting it in most of the time, of course theres going to be a lack of offensive rebounds.

[planetmars]

Offensive rebounds is far from an end-all, and one of the least priorities of a defense first team.
- The top ORB team last year was Detroit, and the top ORB player was the over-the-top selfish, excessively overrated Drummond. Their record was 29-53
- Another top ORB team (6th) was the Kings. Their record was 28-54
- At #7 & #8: Boston (25-57) and Bucks (15-67)

On the other hand,
- the worst ORB team was Miami (54-28) and a finalist
- another of the worst (26th) was the Spurs (62-20), the champs

Chasing offensive rebounds, even grabbing them out of teammates' hands a la Drummond, often compromises the defense, and is why many top teams don't emphasize it much, in particular when guys like Hansbrough, Hayes, Steimsma are on the floor primarily to hold down the fort defensively.

Miami was first in FG%, San Antonio second.. Toronto was 21st.. they need to rely on their offensive boards. 2nd chance points are more important to a team that can't shoot as efficiently as teams that can.

[RandomGuy]

If Tyler is shooting 3's who's grabbing the offensive rebound? With Amir you have JV. With Tyler you're probably going to see either Greg Steismsa or Chuck Hayes out there with him.. and neither are great at it.

There won't be a need to grab offensive rebound when Tyler's shooting 3

[MACK11]

If Tyler is shooting 3's who's grabbing the offensive rebound? With Amir you have JV. With Tyler you're probably going to see either Greg Steismsa or Chuck Hayes out there with him.. and neither are great at it.

You implying that Tyler is gonna miss?

[chico]

offensive rebounds work for a team like the raptors, who are obviously a perimeter scoring volume shooting team with lowry and derozan being our main arsenals. both of which will miss more than they will sink it, hence needing amir/hansborough/JV to clean up.

spurs are the champs, yep. but they also take insanely smarter shots than we do. and with the heat, well you have lebron. if you're getting it in most of the time, of course theres going to be a lack of offensive rebounds.

Miami was first in FG%, San Antonio second.. Toronto was 21st.. they need to rely on their offensive boards. 2nd chance points are more important to a team that can't shoot as efficiently as teams that can.

Good point. Thanks. Was only trying to illustrate that ORBs stand-alone mean little, but need to be looked at in the overall context of what the team is doing. We don't know what kind of shooting percentages the Raps will be achieving this year, so we have no context. I do know that Pop has expressly stated that he wants his players focused more on getting back on defense, when misses occur, than chasing offensive rebounds, and their play illustrates it.

[DanH]

ORB totals are useless because of teams' offensive efficiency. ORB% is better.

To chico's point, the best ORB% team in the league was DET. And there is a spattering of good and bad teams in the top 10.

That said, the Raptors were 9th last year in ORB%, so they should be solid again in that regard.

[caccia]

After last night's game with Cleveland, the second loss in a row to the Cavaliers, you have to wonder what it will take to get Tyler Hansbrough back on the court? We need better rebounding. Check. We need higher defensive intensity. Check. We need screens for our guards and wings. Check. We need veteran savvy with a young team. Check. We need better pick-and-roll defence. Check. We need guys who will not coast halfway through the game. Double check.

I honestly do not think the Raptors are going to be much better than a .525 club the rest of the way if Hansbrough sits on the bench as he did last night or plays at most eight or nine minutes to spell Valanciunas. We saw how great the second team was at the beginning of the season. Now it's a just bit above average with Hansbrough as an afterthought. The coach also has not encouraged Tyler to shoot, so his attempts per thirty-six are dead last on the team. This is bizarre for a guy who is great at getting to the foul line and had a.562 TS% last year as a result.

I know there are some strong detractors of Hansbrough among the fans here. He is not graceful like DeRozan, just effective. But the team needs him, and his talents are going to waste.

[MACK11]

I agree we should get hans in there for a couple minutes, our rebounding is horrible

[DanH]

Hansbrough is a sliiiightly better rebounder than Patrick Patterson and Amir Johnson. He is pretty much infinitely worse at all other aspects of basketball. So, no, I do not agree that Hansbrough is the answer.

[OldSkoolCool]

Please no Hansborough.

He hasn't been his usual self at controlling the glass this season so there is literally no point in playing him.

[caccia]

Coach Casey now admits he made a mistake in not playing Hansbrough, especially in the last game:

"Casey said he wants to get Tyler Hansbrough — a strong rebounder — more action. He said the strong play of Valanciunas and Patterson has made it hard to find Hansbrough minutes. 'We’ve got to get Tyler involved. That was probably an oversight on my part of not getting him in,' Casey said ... Casey also said the team is working on diversifying it’s late-game offensive play calls to make sure it doesn’t turn into Kyle Lowry against the world. He said the Raptors worked on spacing and getting other players involved ..."

As I said in the previous post, the team needs him to set screens to get the shooters open, too.

As for there being "no point in playing him," the White Squad was spectacularly successful with Hansbrough on the court, playing over ten minutes per game in the first twelve contests. Without him, the bench has been closer to average. Folks may not have noticed, but he also is out there directing players where to go, especially on defence.

[raptors999]

Coach Casey now admits he made a mistake in not playing Hansbrough, especially in the last game:

"Casey said he wants to get Tyler Hansbrough — a strong rebounder — more action. He said the strong play of Valanciunas and Patterson has made it hard to find Hansbrough minutes. 'We’ve got to get Tyler involved. That was probably an oversight on my part of not getting him in,' Casey said ... Casey also said the team is working on diversifying it’s late-game offensive play calls to make sure it doesn’t turn into Kyle Lowry against the world. He said the Raptors worked on spacing and getting other players involved ..."

As I said in the previous post, the team needs him to set screens to get the shooters open, too.

As for there being "no point in playing him," the White Squad was spectacularly successful with Hansbrough on the court, playing over ten minutes per game in the first twelve contests. Without him, the bench has been closer to average. Folks may not have noticed, but he also is out there directing players where to go, especially on defence.

Stagger Amir and play him with TH.

[caccia]

As for there being "no point in playing him," the White Squad was spectacularly successful with Hansbrough on the court, playing over ten minutes per game in the first twelve contests. Without him, the bench has been closer to average.

Last night is a first step in proving my point: J. Johnson + 17, Williams + 15, Hansbrough + 12, Patterson + 8, Vasquez + 2. Let's hope for more of the same in the next five games.