Demar was drafted 9th. If we listen to this chart, we should have traded him right away because statistically he should have turned out to be nothing but a role player.
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The appropriate comparison for DeMar is not "shooting guards" - it is "wings." Because that's what he is. He's certainly an well-above-average wing, but this playoff series is exposing him because even though he's playing decent defense he simply can't guard Joe Johnson - he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be an elite wing on defense. Plus there's the issue of his handles, which are not great.
DD is good value for his contract. If he makes strides on his D and handles, he's a long-term keeper. Don't see MU making any DD moves to secure a higher draft pick. It takes time and money to develop talent. I watch a lot of college bball and while Wiggins has a lot of upside, there were many times where he played like a freshmen and not the dominant presence that the media, TSN was hyping.
Last edited by ps77; Wed Apr 30th, 2014 at 01:50 AM.
The trade DD question cannot be answered without knowing the following:
1. Are we re-signing Kyle, 2-Pat, and Vasquez?
2. Who do we draft?
3. What is our cap flexibility?
4. How realistically can we compete for NBA championship in the next 3 years with the roster we assemble this off-season?
If there is enough evidence we can take the next step after this season, then you can easily answer NO, we are not trading DD. If MU (and that's his job, that's why he is being paid 7 figures) thinks we cannot compete, then he can entertain offers for DD, but only those that he feels can put us in competition in the future.
Any way you look at it, there is no clear-cut answer to the question of trading a player or not in the situation the Raptors are now. They are clearly not in rebuild mode, but also not good enough to compete for the ring. I personally think it is not likely we get an offer that would be worth our while, but there are only 2 players in this league that are untradeable and they are LBJ and KD.
We should also know: is Casey coming back?
For me, that's the most important question regarding roster moves. This is especially true when you consider the fact that MU likes to tailor the roster to fit the coach. How would Demar fit with a new coach and style if that is to happen?
And as others have mentioned, and I'll echo again, if Demar were to be moved would we actually be selling high? IMO, we wouldn't as I believe he still has much room to grow and I also believe that he will realize that potential as long as he plays on a winning team.
Personally, I think this trade would be foolish because I think Demar's stock has risen to the point where you could get a top 5 for him. Possibly even a top 3, depending on which team you were negotiating with.
The math in the OP makes sense to me as well... but I think it comes down to scouting. Some drafts are weak. So even a top 3 pick from 2013 wouldn't have been worth it (although I like Oladipo and I could see him one day being better than DD). If this draft coming up is expected to be strong than it's also possible that there could be guys after the top 5 that would end up as all-stars as well.
The key is I believe in MU and Weltman and their scouting abilities. If they believe that a guy drafted after #5 has better value than DD than I wouldn't question that trade/decision.
I do think a Holiday type offer is what MU would want anyway.. basically a high pick in one draft and another lottery pick in another draft. May not get two all-stars from those picks but could get two really good players who's sum is greater than what DD can bring to the table.
On another note: isn't DD's attitude worth something beyond his on-court numbers? Having a hard-working humble leader helps spread those values through the locker room, and I think that's really, really important. For a long time (like years and years) my biggest gripe with the Raptors was that we weren't a franchise conducive to helping guys reach their potential. I'm so happy that we can get young players and actually think, "hey, we've got a decent shot at helping these guys get better".
Here's the thing: If you don't trade Demar you have a 100% chance of getting an all-star. HE IS AN ALLSTAR. Jebuz!
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Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
Regardless, Demar is an All-Star now. Not sure why anyone would try and take that away from him, or apply an "asterisk" to his participating.
And the fact that Demar is able to stay healthy is just another valuable trait he possesses.
And to be honest, I don't see Rose, Lopez or Horford earning another All-Star bid again.
I fully expect Demar to be an All-Star again next year.
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That graph in my post is for ONE all star appearance mchappy so your point is sort of irrelevant. If we trade DeMar for a non top 5 lotto pick we have a 16% chance of getting a player that will EVER play in the all star game
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