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    Whether or not Chris Bosh wants to be here is a debate on to it's own but we won't go there here. Let's just assume what the majority of this board seems to be assuming, Chris Bosh is leaving the Raptors. If you don't want to assume it, then pretend for the sake of this thread.

    Question: Where do you want the team to go now?
    A.) Charge ahead and make what we have work.
    B.) Tear it down and rebuild because the cornerstone is gone.
    C.) Start paying more attention to hockey......Wait, things aren't that dire yet.
    D.) Other. Please Explain.

    Question: We need to decide if we're going to be a player in the Chris Bosh move. How do we play the game?
    A.) Try and get a young player back who is at or has the potential of reaching star status.
    B.) Focus on packaging a bad contract with Bosh, such as the Hedo Turkoglu contract.
    C.) Have a willingness to take back money if its expiring contracts, but demand draft picks. Collect as many as you can squeeze out.
    D.) Other. Please explain.

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    The first three things that the Raptors need to do not necessarily in this order.

    Get rid of

    1. Bargnani
    2. Calderon
    3. Turkoglu

    Getting rid of all three would be optimal. Two next best and getting rid of only one the least best.

    It doesn't even matter who the Raptors get in return as long as they can clear some cap space and maybe get some lottery picks.

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    Who wants Hedo Turkoglu at that price?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Who wants Hedo Turkoglu at that price?
    probably Washington if we agree to swallow agent zero megadeal.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Who wants Hedo Turkoglu at that price?
    I would think that some team in Europe or Turkey (Europe/Asia) would love to have him on a contract buy out.

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    Who is going to pay $40M to get Hedo out of his contract? They then have to turn around and pay him dozens more in a contract. The Raptors are still on the hook for the cap space even if they're not paying him and so competitively, they're no better off.

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    probably Washington if we agree to swallow agent zero megadeal.
    That's an idea. Bring in someone who's a lot better, younger and would help the team far more. No doubt Gil is going for bargain basement prices right now.

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    Bosh s&t idea.... If the Nets get the #1 pick and are looking to move Harris (to make room for John Wall):
    CB4 for Harris + some combo of Yi, Lee & picks...
    Then we could dump Jose or Jack for something useful somewhere else, have good young players with affordable contracts...

    Just thinking out loud & still holding out hope for the future...

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    Bosh s&t idea.... If the Nets get the #1 pick and are looking to move Harris (to make room for John Wall):
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    Bosh has been on record saying he would not consider NJ. He has quite a bit of leverage to determine where he goes if he chooses to leave. Yes he may lose the absolute max. but Toronto also runs the risk of not getting anything if the move is not coordinated.

    But there are pieces there that could be attractive as you pointed.

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    If he leaves Toronto he's going to want to go play for a team that gives him a chance at a title. Miami would be a logical place. Not sure why he would want to play for the Nets. If he's not interested then he doesn't sign and then there's no deal.

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    bosh to new york for david lee, t-mac(if he has a reasonable short term contract), and galinarri or wil chandler, and cash considerations(so bryan can hit up a high class gentlemen's club).

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    What's the best player anyone has ever received in a sign and trade?

    These delusions of getting anyone other than a draft pick or a young throw in seem farfetched.

    Going to NJ really wouldn't be that bad. They have a couple good pieces in Harris and Lopez, are probably getting a top two pick, have cap space to sign a top guy and are moving to brooklyn in two years. Its not a bad place to be the new face.

    The problem isn't Turk, Jose or Bargs. Separately I think they all could be vital cogs in a championship team and I think other GM's recognize that. I think there are some GM's who might talk themselves into trading for Turk since his value is low right now. No contract is immovable in todays NBA, except for maybe the immovable Eddy Curry.

    Ultimately Bosh holds all the cards. He can decide to stay, leave or leave with strings attached. Sadly were all hostages as he negotiates whats best for Bosh. I think its down to NYC, Miami or Chi town. I hope he goes and plays with Bron in NYC, I couldn't hate him for that. My bet is a sign and trade with the bulls where we get Taj Gibson back.

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    Here's the kind of thing to expect:
    Posted: Aug. 19, 2005
    The Phoenix Suns today completed a sign-and-trade deal with the Atlanta Hawks that will send restricted free-agent guard Joe Johnson to Atlanta in exchange for guard/forward Boris Diaw (pronounced DEE-ow) and two future first-round draft picks. This trade also leaves Phoenix with a $6 million trade exception for their use in future dealings.
    NBA.com

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    ^ Ugh. God I hope that isn't the case for us now.

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    Well keep in mind that then Joe Johnson was not a star, just a young up and coming player. Bosh is a top five talent. He will have a lot of teams bidding for him as a franchise changer. They're going to offer more. What if the Knicks offered Lee and two 1st rounders via a third team? Or is the Lakers offered Bynum in a deal similar to the Knicks deal?

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    That is a good example, but I'm still sketchy on how the process will work.

    Bosh will give a list of teams he's willing to go to and then those teams make offers and the raps decide which one is the best?

    With the Joe Johnson scenario, I don't think a lot of teams were bidding to pay him that kind of money.

    Who has all the power once Bosh agrees to a sign and trade? Is it possible to get Chicago, New York and Miami in a bidding war?

    This is Colangelo's legacy with the raptors, if he can turn Bosh into a couple pieces to kickstart the rebuilding process, I think he might be able to prolong his execution a little.

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    I think the rebuilding process could start pretty quick if we made Bargs & Turk work with CB4's Trainer from last summer instead of playing international ball. I think Bosh to NYC would have to be a 3way deal, not sure how much Chicago & Miami can offer either... Hinrich? Beisley? That's what this team needs...

    Sure would have been nice if we had picked up Matt Barnes instead of Turk & drafted Collison, Lawson or Jennings & traded Jose for something useful...

    Shouldn't we all be NBA GMs??

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Bosh has been on record saying he would not consider NJ. He has quite a bit of leverage to determine where he goes if he chooses to leave. Yes he may lose the absolute max. but Toronto also runs the risk of not getting anything if the move is not coordinated.

    But there are pieces there that could be attractive as you pointed.

    Why is he so anti-NJ? Still don't get it....playing with Brook Lopez and John Wall would be awesome.

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    For starters, the Nets haven't won the lotto yet. Usually the worst team in the league doesn't in the lotto. Second, this edition is going to be one of the worst in NBA history. He said he wants to play for a winner. Don't you think he wants to enter a winning environment now, as oppose to waiting on unproven guys to develop? Why would he pick the Nets over the Heat or the Rockets?

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    The 08 Celtics proved how quickly you can go from laughingstock to champion. While I doubt he will go to the nets. They are probably adding Evan Turner or John Wall and more likely Turner with Harris there.

    So if you add all star Chris Bosh and future all star Turner to a team with former all star Harris and blooming all star Lopez and surround them with good young talent in Lee, CDR and Yi that sounds like a rock solid play off team.

    He also claims he wants to be built around. It would be pretty cool to go the worst team in NBA history and turn them around in one year. That's the kind of ego boost a guy like Bosh could thrive off.

    It really depends on how delusional he is. He still thinks he is a class A superstar and that wherever he goes automatically will become winning time. I feel like most guys in this league truly believe they would be all stars if only they got enough touches.

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    The NJ Nets have a 46.5% chance of getting a top two pick. Statistically, they're more likely to end up with the third or fourth draft selection (53.5%) than a top two selection with the fourth pick being the single most likely outcome (36%).

    They only have a one in four chance of getting the top pick. So a 75% chance of not getting the first pick.

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