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    I'd do Barnes for Amir in a second.

    I'd like to add a playoff tested vet like Ariza too. The team has serious depth issues.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I'd do Barnes for Amir in a second.

    I'd like to add a playoff tested vet like Ariza too. The team has serious depth issues.
    I really like Ariza. I remember him from his time in LA and he is a great defender as well but I don't think we can get him for under 7 or 8. He was getting 7.7 from Wizards ... Would that Salary really jeopardize our financial flexibility for 2016 !!!

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    Ariza is a long term move with limited upside. Shawn Marion is a better move cheaper,shorter contract.We will probably draft a SF so ideally we only need a 1-2 year stop gap.If no SF is available in the draft, trading a PF drafted #20 to GSW would get Barnes and something.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    I really like Ariza. I remember him from his time in LA and he is a great defender as well but I don't think we can get him for under 7 or 8. He was getting 7.7 from Wizards ... Would that Salary really jeopardize our financial flexibility for 2016 !!!
    He turns 29 and is a role player. He got that contract fresh off a championship when he was still young enough that teams hoped he would build on his strong play in LA and become something more. I'd be shocked if he got 7 or 8 million again. Maybe he gets a full mid-level exception....maybe....

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    OK, 3, my bad. Still you must be dreaming if you think you will get Barns for Hans even if he is being over paid by 1.5 million a year
    Oh, I never said we could get Barnes for Hansbrough. I just was mystified by the number you pulled out.

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    Lowry - Heart and soul of the team, but his skills are not that of a superstar. Best case scenario for us would be to resign at 10 mil a year for 3 years. More realistic is a 4 year deal for about 12 mil a year.

    DD - Great contract, awesome second option. He hasn't stopped improving so let's see how much further he can go.

    Ross - Needs to be DD's back-up. His skills fit the 2 spot better.

    Amir/PatP - Both are awesome 2nd unit bigs. But for the first unit.......unfortunately, we may have to choose only one of them. Tough situation, with Amir bleeding raptors red and PatP having more overall skill, but less passion. In saying that though, PatP still has potential to be an average starter at the 4 whereas Amir is Amir at this point.

    JV - Dude's got a lot to work on. His instincts for the NBA game aren't really that good, and it seems the best we can hope for is a slightly poorer Marc Gasol. But he's got a lot of work to do.

    G Vasquez - I love his game, and can think of no better option to run the second unit. He's pretty good at setting up the first unit too, in short spurts.

    Fields - I wish he wasn't being paid such a ridiculous amount because I think he's an awesome role player on a championship contender, as a defensive stopper.

    Novak/Salmons - I think there are better options on the market, and it may be best for both to find better fits for their skills elsewhere.

    Chuck Hayes - I like his veteran presence, but again, he's probably more valuable to another team.

    DC - He seemingly became a cheerleader in the playoffs instead of a coach. I like his attitude and mentality, but he's not the most creative guy or even an average strategist on the court. A tough call though, as I think he's got the support of the boys on the team.

    All in all, a wonderful surprise season we can all be proud of. Got some tough decisions to make about the PF situation as Amir/PatP currently cancel each other, and as has been stated earlier we don't have any super stars. Not many options this offseason, but since we have young team some internal improvement is expected. Might not get back to 48 wins next year but we should still be confident of being back in the playoffs.

    MU, let's see what kind of magic you can work.

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    Tim and Masai aren't fucking around. They're gonna do everything needed to make this team a contender, I believe it.

    Re-signing Lowry is gonna happen pretty quickly, and from there we will see how it develops.
    The timing should be interesting. Big exhales all around if it's soon, but we're much better served by tinkering around and then using Kyle's bird rights to let us go over the cap
    It's not just about Lowry...It's about the 3 spot.

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    Patterson and Amir are two of the best 6th man PF's in the league. 20-25 mpg next year for each would be great.
    SIGN JAMES JOHNSON.
    I hope OKC finally amnesties Perkins because he would be great for us. Okafor too would be good, as would Jermaine O'Neal.
    Vasquez is an elite bench point guard.
    I would say you can extend Lowry's max worth a little bit more than 10 mil on this team.
    Nooooo not Perkins please....... We're going to be on Shaqtin a fool alot if that happens.

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    The timing should be interesting. Big exhales all around if it's soon, but we're much better served by tinkering around and then using Kyle's bird rights to let us go over the cap
    We need to use the Bird Rights to go over the cap

    Then go for a Tony Parker level value deal at a 12 mil starting with 7.5% decrease each season with the 15% signing bonus (Deal three in everything kyle lowry)

    Put it in my spreadsheet as a future contract and it gives us GREAT flexibility in the future

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    We need to use the Bird Rights to go over the cap

    Then go for a Tony Parker level value deal at a 12 mil starting with 7.5% decrease each season with the 15% signing bonus (Deal three in everything kyle lowry)

    Put it in my spreadsheet as a future contract and it gives us GREAT flexibility in the future
    Been wondering myself if they'd structure something that's top-heavy and decreases each year. If they can convince Lowry to sign on it would be a huge advantage moving forward, as I don't think the team can make a serious leap (talking ECF and better here) without either trading for or signing one more legit all-star (unless JV absolutely explodes next year). If they want to make a run at KD or someone similar, they're gonna need to make some short term sacrifices, potentially at the cost of some stagnation or regression next year.

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    Quote Stevo wrote: View Post
    Lowry - Heart and soul of the team, but his skills are not that of a superstar. Best case scenario for us would be to resign at 10 mil a year for 3 years. More realistic is a 4 year deal for about 12 mil a year.

    DD - Great contract, awesome second option. He hasn't stopped improving so let's see how much further he can go.

    Ross - Needs to be DD's back-up. His skills fit the 2 spot better.

    Amir/PatP - Both are awesome 2nd unit bigs. But for the first unit.......unfortunately, we may have to choose only one of them. Tough situation, with Amir bleeding raptors red and PatP having more overall skill, but less passion. In saying that though, PatP still has potential to be an average starter at the 4 whereas Amir is Amir at this point.

    JV - Dude's got a lot to work on. His instincts for the NBA game aren't really that good, and it seems the best we can hope for is a slightly poorer Marc Gasol. But he's got a lot of work to do.

    G Vasquez - I love his game, and can think of no better option to run the second unit. He's pretty good at setting up the first unit too, in short spurts.

    Fields - I wish he wasn't being paid such a ridiculous amount because I think he's an awesome role player on a championship contender, as a defensive stopper.

    Novak/Salmons - I think there are better options on the market, and it may be best for both to find better fits for their skills elsewhere.

    Chuck Hayes - I like his veteran presence, but again, he's probably more valuable to another team.

    DC - He seemingly became a cheerleader in the playoffs instead of a coach. I like his attitude and mentality, but he's not the most creative guy or even an average strategist on the court. A tough call though, as I think he's got the support of the boys on the team.

    All in all, a wonderful surprise season we can all be proud of. Got some tough decisions to make about the PF situation as Amir/PatP currently cancel each other, and as has been stated earlier we don't have any super stars. Not many options this offseason, but since we have young team some internal improvement is expected. Might not get back to 48 wins next year but we should still be confident of being back in the playoffs.

    MU, let's see what kind of magic you can work.
    Nicely Said, I agree 100% with every point that you have made.

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    Quote Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    Been wondering myself if they'd structure something that's top-heavy and decreases each year. If they can convince Lowry to sign on it would be a huge advantage moving forward, as I don't think the team can make a serious leap (talking ECF and better here) without either trading for or signing one more legit all-star (unless JV absolutely explodes next year). If they want to make a run at KD or someone similar, they're gonna need to make some short term sacrifices, potentially at the cost of some stagnation or regression next year.
    Initially I was thinking a 5 year contract worth 51.6 mil. But the 4 year 42 mil contract below sounds a lot better. Fully guaranteed. In 2016 his cap hit will only be 10.2 so he wont hurt the Durant sweepstakes if we are trying to go that route. Only problems are Ross' 4.8 QO and Vals 6.2 QO in 2016...and DeRozans player option...he could opt out wanting more money. Really not liking him having that flexibility.

    Year Base Salary Signing Bonus Against Cap Total Against Cap
    2014/2015 10,392,564.84 1,607,435.16 12,000,000
    2015/2016 9,492,564.84 1,607,435.16 11,100,000
    2016/2017 8,660,064.84 1,607,435.16 10,267,500
    2017/2018 7,890,002.34 1,607,435.16 9,497,437.50
    Total 36,435,196.88 6,429,740.63 42,864,937.50

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    The ball is in Masai's court now, he has to lead us.
    The name's Bond, James Bond.

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    You need to teach everyone else on these forums how to make tables haha.

    But yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from with DD. MLSE has stated that they'd pay into the tax for a winner, and I'm really hoping that the team manages to land a big fish before they have to start ponying up for DD, Val and Ross. That way they could head into the tax once they've got that core established. Either that, or you're basically gonna have to work something out with DD on the side in advance to where he helps recruit and then signs his contract afterwards. Not unheard of, but makes things complicated.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    We need to sign him and that would leave us with back up Centre, SF and PF issues to deal with.
    SF or PF can probably be addressed through the draft, at least with the future in mind. Maybe even backup center too.

    A few minor tweaks and a new coach and I think we take the division again. The Atlantic is going to be super weak next year.

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    Quick Question: If I trade for future picks, for example a 2017 1st lotto protected pick (worth 1.4/yr) and a 2018 2nd round pick (800k), in the trade those numbers count towards the trade salaries exchanged between each team.

    Therefor if I am looking at a trade that requires us to take on 1.8 mil on the trade machine (F***), then by adding a future first and a 2nd the trade could legally work? What about swapping picks, does that mean that dollar value is changing hands in the trade? How much cash can be put into the trade?

    Any help on this would be great

    Quote Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    You need to teach everyone else on these forums how to make tables haha.

    But yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from with DD. MLSE has stated that they'd pay into the tax for a winner, and I'm really hoping that the team manages to land a big fish before they have to start ponying up for DD, Val and Ross. That way they could head into the tax once they've got that core established. Either that, or you're basically gonna have to work something out with DD on the side in advance to where he helps recruit and then signs his contract afterwards. Not unheard of, but makes things complicated.
    "Go Advanced" ---> "Insert Table" ----> proceed to curse at how annoying it is to actually type out each cell from Excel

    There are three things in the way of having a boatload of FA money in the 2016 offseason.

    1) Ross gets extended and we avoid RFA/QO cap holds
    2) Val gets extended and we avoid RFA/QO cap holds
    3) DD doesn't pick up his player option. This allows us an extra 9.5 mil to sign the UFA. We still own DD's Bird Rights and can go into tax to retain him on a new contract

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    Quote OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Quick Question: If I trade for future picks, for example a 2017 1st lotto protected pick (worth 1.4/yr) and a 2018 2nd round pick (800k), in the trade those numbers count towards the trade salaries exchanged between each team.

    Therefor if I am looking at a trade that requires us to take on 1.8 mil on the trade machine (F***), then by adding a future first and a 2nd the trade could legally work? What about swapping picks, does that mean that dollar value is changing hands in the trade? How much cash can be put into the trade?

    Any help on this would be great



    "Go Advanced" ---> "Insert Table" ----> proceed to curse at how annoying it is to actually type out each cell from Excel

    There are three things in the way of having a boatload of FA money in the 2016 offseason.

    1) Ross gets extended and we avoid RFA/QO cap holds
    2) Val gets extended and we avoid RFA/QO cap holds
    3) DD doesn't pick up his player option. This allows us an extra 9.5 mil to sign the UFA. We still own DD's Bird Rights and can go into tax to retain him on a new contract
    The picks don't count as salary in the trade. Could always add guys like Buycks or Stone (both add up to $1.75M) to make it work.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    The picks don't count as salary in the trade. Could always add guys like Buycks or Stone (both add up to $1.75M) to make it work.
    What was the point in having these guys on the team this season?

    Buycks looked horrible when he played and Stone only played in the preseason
    He's 2 years away from being 2 years away, but his wingspan is already here .

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Rumours out there that Atlanta may put themselves in play for Greg Monroe

    If that's the case, gotta think Horford may just be made available...I wonder if a 3-team sign and trade deal would have any chance...
    Wonder if Atlanta is tired of waiting for Horford's boobs to heal and want to replace him with Monroe? If Horford was made available I'm not really sure how you would get him unless you'd be willing to move DD.

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    Quote MACK11 wrote: View Post
    What was the point in having these guys on the team this season?

    Buycks looked horrible when he played and Stone only played in the preseason
    Obviously for flexibility (cheap short contracts) and tanking. They were all we had to back up Lowry before Vasquez came over.


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