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    Nets will be pretty damn scary once they get Lopez back. They'll be able to play traditional with two bigs or long-ball, assuming they come back healthy. I don't like their long-term prospects but they'll be a tough team for at least another season.

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    Quote bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
    Nets will be pretty damn scary once they get Lopez back. They'll be able to play traditional with two bigs or long-ball, assuming they come back healthy. I don't like their long-term prospects but they'll be a tough team for at least another season.
    But they won't have a PF. They'll have Lopez, Blatche and Plumlee who all play better at C. Garnett will probably retire, and even if he doesn't, he was even worse at PF than at C this year.

    I also don't know why Pierce would go back to BKL. He can go to better teams if he wants to ring-chase, and he can go back to Boston if he wants to retire where it all started.

    The Nets would be willing to spend money, but are capped out and therefore will have a really difficult time actually finding pieces. They also don't really have any tradeable assets, including the fact that they lack picks to deal.

    Livingston is also a free agent and could easily leave for more money elsewhere.

    Their situation is definitely very cloudy. They still have Williams, Johnson and Lopez...but Williams and Lopez are both playing on weak ankles. They were built to contend this year, and will have to find some way to revamp their roster, or pray that Pierce and Livingston will both return at bargain rates.

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    I see the Nets and Knicks both as playoff threats, but hard to figure out if they will be strong teams.

    The Knicks were a mess this year, but how much of that was guys not buying in? Though they definitely will have a hard time improving the roster, and if Melo leaves, they're finished.

    The Nets may lose key pieces (it wouldn't be at all surprising). Thus they would have to play a whole new style next year, and have to fill holes with no capspace and very limited trade assets (if any). They have the chance to be great again, they're also maybe another injury to Lopez, and possibly even Williams, away from a being a lottery team and complete mess next year.

    Philly is going to suck for another year. Don't see how they avoid that. And I'd guess management is ok with that for another year.

    Boston's the tough one to figure out. Don't know if they want to make a big splash yet. Maybe they try hard if they want to keep building around Rondo. But otherwise, they need to figure out what their core pieces will be to build around going forward. They may spend another year evaluating their roster with an added rookie or two. I think that's the likeliest scenario, but I also think Ainge will throw himself at any major opportunity that presents itself on the market (eg. Love).

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    But they won't have a PF. They'll have Lopez, Blatche and Plumlee who all play better at C. Garnett will probably retire, and even if he doesn't, he was even worse at PF than at C this year.

    I also don't know why Pierce would go back to BKL. He can go to better teams if he wants to ring-chase, and he can go back to Boston if he wants to retire where it all started.

    The Nets would be willing to spend money, but are capped out and therefore will have a really difficult time actually finding pieces. They also don't really have any tradeable assets, including the fact that they lack picks to deal.

    Livingston is also a free agent and could easily leave for more money elsewhere.

    Their situation is definitely very cloudy. They still have Williams, Johnson and Lopez...but Williams and Lopez are both playing on weak ankles. They were built to contend this year, and will have to find some way to revamp their roster, or pray that Pierce and Livingston will both return at bargain rates.
    Shit, you're totally right. Didn't even think about their free agency situation this off-season.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    But they won't have a PF. They'll have Lopez, Blatche and Plumlee who all play better at C. Garnett will probably retire, and even if he doesn't, he was even worse at PF than at C this year.

    I also don't know why Pierce would go back to BKL. He can go to better teams if he wants to ring-chase, and he can go back to Boston if he wants to retire where it all started.

    The Nets would be willing to spend money, but are capped out and therefore will have a really difficult time actually finding pieces. They also don't really have any tradeable assets, including the fact that they lack picks to deal.

    Livingston is also a free agent and could easily leave for more money elsewhere.

    Their situation is definitely very cloudy. They still have Williams, Johnson and Lopez...but Williams and Lopez are both playing on weak ankles. They were built to contend this year, and will have to find some way to revamp their roster, or pray that Pierce and Livingston will both return at bargain rates.
    Ahahaha, that would be awesome.

    The Nets trade all those draft picks to Boston for Pierce and Garnett, and Pierce goes back one year later!
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    I would say the previous winner of each division is usually the favorite unless another team has made significant offseason moves. So yes, I would say Toronto is the division leader favorite.

    Doesn't mean they'll win it, but they should be the favorite.
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    Yes they are. Brooklyn is the only competition and they don't scare me one bit. Even though though we lost to them in the playoffs i still feel like we're the better team.
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    Why would the Raps be the favorites? We lost to a division rival in the playoffs, and they were missing a key player. We can't be favorites until we beat the best. And we haven't beaten the best yet.
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    Very tough question to answer at this point. I expect the Knicks to be worse, as I anticipate Melo departing. The Nets will still be there. It will be interesting to see how they start next season with Lopez back, as they didn't really turn it around this season until Lopez went down. But Lopez, Johnson and Williams is still a decent core and if Kidd can figure out how to get them to work together they could be dangerous. I think Pierce and Garnett are irrelevant for them next year, neither may be there and even if they are I would imagine their impact to be much less than this season. A good vet presence for sure, and that may be the extent of their impact.

    Philly will be tanking again, whether they want to or not. The youngsters over there are no threat next season.

    Boston, however, could turn things around rather quickly. A great bball city with a ton of future pics to deal. Boston in theory could have the type of offseason that puts them back in the playoff race, and maybe beyond. Nobody talks about Melo in Boston, but I think it's a possibility. They have the contracts to match salary and the picks that NYK desperately needs to sweeten the pot. This offseason isn't as enticing as the following one, so maybe they wait a season before serious retooling. The offseason should be interesting.

    As for the Raps, next season's success will hinge alot on JV IMO. Casey, Lowry, and Derozan have to integrate Jonas into the offense more consistently and make it a priority to get the kid shots. Dealing with double teams is something Jonas should learn next season. If the Raps do that, I think they could possibly improve on this season's record, depending what happens to the rest of the conference of course. Lowry would also have to resign of course, and a decent backup C and wing would give the Raps as good a shot as any other Atlantic team to win another division title. Although division titles aren't really worth much in the big scheme of things, it would look nice to see banners from consecutive years hanging from the rafters.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    Very tough question to answer at this point. I expect the Knicks to be worse, as I anticipate Melo departing. The Nets will still be there. It will be interesting to see how they start next season with Lopez back, as they didn't really turn it around this season until Lopez went down. But Lopez, Johnson and Williams is still a decent core and if Kidd can figure out how to get them to work together they could be dangerous. I think Pierce and Garnett are irrelevant for them next year, neither may be there and even if they are I would imagine their impact to be much less than this season. A good vet presence for sure, and that may be the extent of their impact.

    Philly will be tanking again, whether they want to or not. The youngsters over there are no threat next season.

    Boston, however, could turn things around rather quickly. A great bball city with a ton of future pics to deal. Boston in theory could have the type of offseason that puts them back in the playoff race, and maybe beyond. Nobody talks about Melo in Boston, but I think it's a possibility. They have the contracts to match salary and the picks that NYK desperately needs to sweeten the pot. This offseason isn't as enticing as the following one, so maybe they wait a season before serious retooling. The offseason should be interesting.

    As for the Raps, next season's success will hinge alot on JV IMO. Casey, Lowry, and Derozan have to integrate Jonas into the offense more consistently and make it a priority to get the kid shots. Dealing with double teams is something Jonas should learn next season. If the Raps do that, I think they could possibly improve on this season's record, depending what happens to the rest of the conference of course. Lowry would also have to resign of course, and a decent backup C and wing would give the Raps as good a shot as any other Atlantic team to win another division title. Although division titles aren't really worth much in the big scheme of things, it would look nice to see banners from consecutive years hanging from the rafters.
    If jonas adds some more strength and post skills, ross improves his consistency, and derozan improves his defensive abilities in the offseason. We are a solid lock for the division
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    If jonas adds some more strength and post skills, ross improves his consistency, and derozan improves his defensive abilities in the offseason. We are a solid lock for the division
    And we resign Lowry and Pat Pat and Amir stay mostly healthy
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    Quote bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
    Nets will be pretty damn scary once they get Lopez back. They'll be able to play traditional with two bigs or long-ball, assuming they come back healthy. I don't like their long-term prospects but they'll be a tough team for at least another season.
    I don't think so actually.

    I think that the nets next year are going to be awful. That's just my feeling. Pierce and garnett will be sporadic during the season.

    D-will and joe johnson are who they are....they take nights off. That's why this team was only a decent regular season team.

    You put brook lopez, and now all of that floor space is gone.

    i dunno....

    Call me crazy but I think in Boston and Philly you have our biggest competition in the future. Young team with something to play for.

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    I don't think so actually.

    I think that the nets next year are going to be awful. That's just my feeling. Pierce and garnett will be sporadic during the season.

    D-will and joe johnson are who they are....they take nights off. That's why this team was only a decent regular season team.

    You put brook lopez, and now all of that floor space is gone.

    i dunno....

    Call me crazy but I think in Boston and Philly you have our biggest competition in the future. Young team with something to play for.
    I agree with you balla, they turned their season around when lopez got hurt and they went small ball but lopez is their best player so who knows how it will work out next season and who will the Russian buy this off season

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    I wonder if this is even the right question to be asking. I'm watching OKC dominate the Clippers, and even then I think the Clippers would probably sweep us in the playoffs. These teams are ridiculously good. Every couple minutes they do something amazing.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I wonder if this is even the right question to be asking. I'm watching OKC dominate the Clippers, and even then I think the Clippers would probably sweep us in the playoffs. These teams are ridiculously good. Every couple minutes they do something amazing.
    When we had Bargs he would do something amazing every couple of seconds.

    Not amazing as in: "oh my gosh future MVP!"

    Amazing as in: "Wait, he was number 1 overall draft pick? How is he in the NBA?"
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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I wonder if this is even the right question to be asking. I'm watching OKC dominate the Clippers, and even then I think the Clippers would probably sweep us in the playoffs. These teams are ridiculously good. Every couple minutes they do something amazing.
    Haha, yes they were! And then poof in the 4th qtr. That was some wild coaching by Doc Rivers in the 4th qtr putting CP on KD for defense !

    Imagine what we would do to Casey if the Raps lost a 16 pt lead in the 4th and the team played as much iso ball as the Thunder. That was some game though but Brooks has to take a hit for this loss.

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    I think that the nets next year are going to be awful. That's just my feeling. Pierce and garnett will be sporadic during the season.

    D-will and joe johnson are who they are....they take nights off. That's why this team was only a decent regular season team.

    You put brook lopez, and now all of that floor space is gone.
    A couple points.

    1. Brooklyn was only an average team in the regular season because of a plague of injuries in the first half of the season combined with Jason Kidd simply not knowing what he was doing. By all accounts the small-ball lineup that was a dominant force after January 1 was Kidd's brainchild, and although the Nets are old getting hit with the number of injuries that they did this past year is unlikely.

    2. Having Brook Lopez back and healthy is simply not going to be a minus for the Nets (who are, remember, a team that shot tons of threes anyway). In the off chance that Lopez can't mesh with the new Nets offensive scheme - which seems unlikely - he's still an All-Star level talent who can be traded for same.

    I think the Nets next year are going to be what was expected of the Nets this year. They're going to be tough.

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    Nets are going to be like the Nets this year, underachieving.
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    If everything breaks just right, the nets could maybe look like contenders.

    But with two max-contract, highly injury prone stars in DWill and Brook Lopez, two WAY past their prime starters in KG and PP, odds are they won't.

    They've got no cap room, and I don't think they've got very many (any?) exceptions. They've got a bunch of guys entering free agency, billy king kinda sucks, they don't have any picks, I just can't imagine them improving on this year's squad.

    We almost beat them in the playoffs this year, and we were at a major disadvantage with most of our guys in their first ever series. We're going to get better, the Nets won't.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    If everything breaks just right, the nets could maybe look like contenders.

    But with two max-contract, highly injury prone stars in DWill and Brook Lopez, two WAY past their prime starters in KG and PP, odds are they won't.

    They've got no cap room, and I don't think they've got very many (any?) exceptions. They've got a bunch of guys entering free agency, billy king kinda sucks, they don't have any picks, I just can't imagine them improving on this year's squad.

    We almost beat them in the playoffs this year, and we were at a major disadvantage with most of our guys in their first ever series. We're going to get better, the Nets won't.
    Well, Pierce is a free agent, so he could easily be gone. Don't know why he'd have a particular loyalty to Brooklyn. He can go to a team without oft-injured stars. Heck, at least 5 or 6 teams in the West have as good a chance or better than Brooklyn (I'd lean toward better). And if he wants to go "home" to play one more year or something, that's probably going to be in Boston.

    And KG? Well, I don't know how he can justify playing another year out there. He's pretty garbage right now. With Lopez back, he'd have to move to backup C, because he's way too slow to play PF at this point. He's just gotta accept it's over and retire.

    Livingston is also a FA. So's Anderson and maybe someone finally offers him more than the minimum. Blatche and Kirilenko could be. It's really hard to know what their team will look like and there could be tons of holes in their supporting cast.

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