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    It has a lot to do with coaching, assistant coaching, as in the new assistant coaches that Masai forced on Casey this year are why Casey finally doesn't look like shit.
    How can you possibly say that with confidence? All we know is that nurse draws offensive plays for them sometimes. We only see a fraction of the coaching that takes place. They all play a part

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    as much as I hate certain decisions Casey makes. The chemistry with the coach & the team is a thing to think about. Its not just players chemistry, its players buying into what the coach is selling. Its a coach that knows how to talk to / treat players & get the most out of them. If casey could fix some of his substitution issues & giving the ball more to the hot hand (the bigs in this series vs brooklyn), he would be a perfect coach in my eyes. He is a defense first guy, and as bad as we look at times, overall, we are a very very good defensive team.

    at the end of the day the results are there. And I wouldn't make a major change (coach) to such a young team with great chemistry at this point in the game. They are putting out the best season in raptors history, I think you'd have to be crazy to take a chance & move onto a new head coach right now.

    NOW. on that same note. I think they should only extend casey 2-3 years max. Because there are signs there that this MAY not be the right guy for the job long term & you don't want to hand out a longterm deal you might regret a year or 2 from now.

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    Phil Jackson hired Winter. He recognized the genius is what he was doing and hired him, while simultaneously becoming a devotee of the triangle offense (Phil is a master of the triangle himself). That's the sign of a good head coach. Casey is clueless.
    Umm...no he didn't. Winter was hired years before Jackson got to Chicago (*2 before Jackson was hired as an assistant, 4 before Jackson was made head coach). And why did Jackson fall in love with the triangle? Because it's a system that limits the need to micromanage xs and os. And Phil only became a "master" of the triangle because he had years and years of Tex implementing it for him and learning it...Tex was his triangle specialist assistant for about 20 years.
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    They don't have a contending product on the floor, so no top tier coach is coming here anytime soon. This team has already overachieved, why does Casey have to coach them to a huge upset over Miami just to keep his job?

    I say roll with this coaching staff (they seem to work well together) until a big name coach wants to come, which will only happen when the team is close to contending (ie 2016, fingers crossed). Or maybe this staff will keep improving, who knows
    Wouldn't it make more sense to put a competent head coach in place now, so that when we're ready to contend we're doing it with a coach who has been here a few years and still has a few years left on his deal?

    It's painfully obvious Casey will never be a championship level head coach. His contract is up. Time to go our separate ways.

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    Boringgggggg

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Phil Jackson hired Winter. He recognized the genius is what he was doing and hired him, while simultaneously becoming a devotee of the triangle offense (Phil is a master of the triangle himself). That's the sign of a good head coach. Casey is clueless.
    Wrong again. Winters was hired by Jerry Krause, the GM. They had a long relationship from their K State days.

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    Toronto is very young and has multiple draft picks. It wouilkd be a shamne too lket it go to waste on a bad coach. The longer MU waits the harder it is to get rid of Casey. Hollins is a good comparison, Memphis looks better after firing him.Without injuries they could have challenged the Spurs and Clippers for top seed.
    They went to the WEST finals last year, they were even solid with rudy gay on their team. Hollins knew how to run that team. They only look good now because their team is gritty defensive team and that is what wins in the playoffs
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    People are just making stuff up now. Sigh.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Wouldn't it make more sense to put a competent head coach in place now, so that when we're ready to contend we're doing it with a coach who has been here a few years and still has a few years left on his deal?

    It's painfully obvious Casey will never be a championship level head coach. His contract is up. Time to go our separate ways.
    If Masai is confident he's found a coach that is elite and that's willing to come here for the long run, then sure. But Casey isn't bad for the time being, IMO . It's hard to find a top tier coach that isn't a big name guy that will only go to contending teams

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    Umm...no he didn't. Winter was hired years before Jackson got to Chicago (*2 before Jackson was hired as an assistant, 4 before Jackson was made head coach). And why did Jackson fall in love with the triangle? Because it's a system that limits the need to micromanage xs and os. And Phil only became a "master" of the triangle because he had years and years of Tex implementing it for him and learning it...Tex was his triangle specialist assistant for about 20 years.
    My mistake (I'm rusty on mid 1980's assistant coaches), but lets cut the bullshit. Do you think Casey has any of the head coaching talent Jackson has? Like will ever be anywhere close? Jackson was a master motivator and strategist. Casey almost crushed Lowry's confidence until Masai got here and built Lowry back up. Casey was basically crushing JV's confidence until Bayno got here and began working with him. I don't think Phil Jackson would have had these issues.

    So, let's cut the bullshit. Do you think Casey can be a championship coach in 2 years? Because that's what I think we should be looking for.

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    listen to trex, he will lead us the the next level
    Oh ya, and Trex, make the game 6 thread soon.

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    Lots of Dunning-Kruger effect going on here.

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    How can you possibly say that with confidence? All we know is that nurse draws offensive plays for them sometimes. We only see a fraction of the coaching that takes place. They all play a part
    I can say it with confidence because I have 2 years of Casey coaching without his current assistants where he looked completely fucking lost on offense.

    There are also a plethora of articles written by the newspapers in Toronto talking about how Nurse heavily runs the offense.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    I can say it with confidence because I have 2 years of Casey coaching without his current assistants where he looked completely fucking lost on offense.

    There are also a plethora of articles written by the newspapers in Toronto talking about how Nurse heavily runs the offense.
    Only team in the east with top ten offense and top ten defense, so it doesn't seem to be much of an issue at the end of the day. But I get what your saying, it would be nice to have a "doc-like" coach that can run the team himself

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    My mistake (I'm rusty on mid 1980's assistant coaches), but lets cut the bullshit. Do you think Casey has any of the head coaching talent Jackson has? Like will ever be anywhere close? Jackson was a master motivator and strategist. Casey almost crushed Lowry's confidence until Masai got here and built Lowry back up. Casey was basically crushing JV's confidence until Bayno got here and began working with him. I don't think Phil Jackson would have had these issues.

    So, let's cut the bullshit. Do you think Casey can be a championship coach in 2 years? Because that's what I think we should be looking for.
    I've been a very vocal critic of Casey. But you blindly hate him and refuse to believe he can have any success. Can he be a championship coach? I don't think so. Do you think in 2 years we'll have a championship calibre roster? I don't. So you should cut the bullshit too, and stop pretending you're objectively evaluating Casey in any way and just admit you hate his guts as a coach, and that's the main reason you want him fired.

    Championship calibre head coaches (as in, proven)....

    Phil Jackson
    Gregg Popovich
    Rick Carlisle
    Doc Rivers
    Erik Spoelstra

    (former coaches, Rudy T and Larry Brown)

    Those are the championship coaches for the past 23 years. So you want to cut the bullshit, tell me which coach you're sure is a championship coach that is a real target? Even the best options not on that list are at best proven playoff coaches who "failed" to win championships. So chill the fuck out and stop pretending you have a clue what the best course of action is.

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    I think the best course of action at this point is probably to bring back Casey on a 2-3 year deal where you won't feel bad firing him. Keep the staff largely intact, where Nurse could be a potential replacement (I think he's more head coach material than Bayno), but I think Nurse will also benefit from another year or two in a support role because he doesn't have a lot of general NBA experience in any capacity.

    If things go south, nothing's keeping you from firing Casey if it's a short deal. No "great" coach is likely taking this job for another year or two anyway as well. At least until Jonas takes another couple of steps in his development, and this team shows it's a repeat playoff threat.

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    Interesting that Lionel Hollins isnt getting any love
    He's a guy that values gritty defensive ball and would do great things to Jonas
    He doesn't like hero ball and prefers methodical ball
    Only problem is that he is not really an analytical guy, but that's not that bad

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I think the best course of action at this point is probably to bring back Casey on a 2-3 year deal where you won't feel bad firing him. Keep the staff largely intact, where Nurse could be a potential replacement (I think he's more head coach material than Bayno), but I think Nurse will also benefit from another year or two in a support role because he doesn't have a lot of general NBA experience in any capacity.

    If things go south, nothing's keeping you from firing Casey if it's a short deal. No "great" coach is likely taking this job for another year or two anyway as well. At least until Jonas takes another couple of steps in his development, and this team shows it's a repeat playoff threat.
    What if Nurse gets offered a coaching job for another team (a very real possibility), then are you comfortable keeping Casey as head coach? I'd be terrified of what would happen to the offense if Nurse left and Casey stayed.

    I want a head coach where I'm not terrified of the assistants leaving. I want a head coach that has a chance of being championship caliber. Casey has shown me he won't get there. We might not get a championship coach, they're rare, but we 100% won't get one if we rehire Casey. That 2-3 year deal where we'd be comfortable firing him makes him a constant lame duck coach, which is even worse.

    Budenholzer is the perfect example of what I'm looking for. He could be championship caliber, and looks really good so far with a very under-talented squad. If they had Horford healthy they might be title contenders the way the East shook out.
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    What if Nurse gets offered a coaching job for another team (a very real possibility), then are you comfortable keeping Casey as head coach? I'd be terrified of what would happen to the offense if Nurse left and Casey stayed.

    I want a head coach where I'm not terrified of the assistants leaving. I want a head coach that has a chance of being championship caliber. Casey has shown me he won't get there. We might not get a championship coach, they're rare, but we 100% won't get one if we rehire Casey. That 2-3 year deal where we'd be comfortable firing him makes him a constant lame duck coach, which is even worse.
    He was a lame duck coach this year...and well, look where the team got. And I don't think that's true anyway. You give him 2 years with a team option for the 3rd...well if next year is a failure, you fire him during/after the year. Nurse is probably still around too.

    If Nurse gets offered another job? Good for him. Will a team offer him one? Tough to know. His name has not surfaced once in any head coaching rumours so far. Hard to see that happening so soon. Most assistants have more established NBA resumes before getting head coaching gigs.

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