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    All head coaches are year-to-year. I would only replace Casey for a better coach -- think SVG, and maybe 5 other coaches. No sideways steps. No backwards steps. People are nitpicking a coach who only coaches to win (to the detriment of the team when they were bad). Ridiculous. No sensible GM would fire a HC who has the ear of his locker room unless it is a significant upgrade. Significant upgrade. Significant. Enough of this nonsense. Isn't there 3 threads on this already this season?

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    Quote raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Playoff run, Not renewed, then fired.Hollins is a good coach Casey is a scrub. Interesting but both Gay and Daye were involved in Hollins dismissal.
    I guess Masai will be next on your "List of Idiots" if/when he re-hires Casey.

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    This thread started off somewhat reasonable, I'll recap the bit that makes sense before everyone went off the rails:

    -people were saying DC isn't a championship coach - he's decent but no legend

    -people replied with how few championship coaches there are, and how certainly, most of the proven ones aren't coming here next year

    -primer said he'd rather take a shot at a championship coach, then just rehire a guy in the second tier of coaches

    After that, it gets into ridiculous hypotheticals, hyperboles and straw-man arguments from the detractors.

    So I believe that initial line of thought is founded in reason.

    To add to that I'd remind everyone to consider the actual chance of hiring an unproven coach and watching him develop into an all time great. I'd say the odds are 20% if we're lucky.

    Further, if that move doesn't work out, it's not just a wash, it's a detrimental move to our franchise and to these players. Lack of continuity is really bad. It is. Ask Marc Cuban.

    So I just don't see the benefit to risking it all on an unknown commodity there, and more than likely, screwing with JV, Ross, and DD.
    If we ever got a game-changing player ó a max-contract ringer like Durant, or a star like Curry (that needs a team built around his strengths and weaknesses) ó then I can see the argument for going all-in and paying top dollar for a HOF coach.

    For now, having a merely above-average coach that is making the most of the personnel we have seems fine.

    And shit, the season ain't even over yet! We don't actually know the absolute ceiling for the coach or the team.

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    Quote bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
    If we ever got a game-changing player — a max-contract ringer like Durant, or a star like Curry (that needs a team built around his strengths and weaknesses) — then I can see the argument for going all-in and paying top dollar for a HOF coach.

    For now, having a merely above-average coach that is making the most of the personnel we have seems fine.

    And shit, the season ain't even over yet! We don't actually know the absolute ceiling for the coach or the team.
    Or the floor, depending on how these next two/one game(s) go.

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Or the floor, depending on how these next two/one game(s) go.
    Good point. How they lose matters.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    All head coaches are year-to-year. I would only replace Casey for a better coach -- think SVG, and maybe 5 other coaches. No sideways steps. No backwards steps. People are nitpicking a coach who only coaches to win (to the detriment of the team when they were bad). Ridiculous. No sensible GM would fire a HC who has the ear of his locker room unless it is a significant upgrade. Significant upgrade. Significant. Enough of this nonsense. Isn't there 3 threads on this already this season?
    Here's the problem with hiring someone you will predict to be a "better" coach. It can go horribly wrong. 5 years ago, Mike D'Antoni was thought to be a top 2 coach in the league. Anyone still think that? He had the right situation in Phoenix with the right type of players who could run his game. Otherwise, things go poorly.

    We know Casey is approximately the right type of coach for these players. Are there people out there who could do a better job with this group? Almost certainly. Good luck guessing who, though. You are much more likely to go a step down due to trying to change the playing style than you are to be successful.

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    Quote Other Scott wrote: View Post
    Here's the problem with hiring someone you will predict to be a "better" coach. It can go horribly wrong. 5 years ago, Mike D'Antoni was thought to be a top 2 coach in the league. Anyone still think that? He had the right situation in Phoenix with the right type of players who could run his game. Otherwise, things go poorly.

    We know Casey is approximately the right type of coach for these players. Are there people out there who could do a better job with this group? Almost certainly. Good luck guessing who, though. You are much more likely to go a step down due to trying to change the playing style than you are to be successful.
    Yeah maybe 3-5 coaches are really the cream of the crop. Casey is a good coach in my opinion, and his strengths fit this team quite well. We've got a tough team capable of strong defensive showings, and that's who Casey is. One of the most important things in your coach is whether or not he suits the personnel.

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    Quote Other Scott wrote: View Post
    Here's the problem with hiring someone you will predict to be a "better" coach. It can go horribly wrong. 5 years ago, Mike D'Antoni was thought to be a top 2 coach in the league. Anyone still think that? He had the right situation in Phoenix with the right type of players who could run his game. Otherwise, things go poorly.

    We know Casey is approximately the right type of coach for these players. Are there people out there who could do a better job with this group? Almost certainly. Good luck guessing who, though. You are much more likely to go a step down due to trying to change the playing style than you are to be successful.
    D'Antoni? Serious? I NEVER thought he was of that ilk. You know what wins? Defense. You know what D'Antoni doesn't coach? Defense. Before you "guess" what I "think" I suggest you have a look at my comments. My +1000 plus thoughts are always well thought. Sometime flawed but never as dumb as thinking that a slightly above average coach who doesn't coach defense is better than a better than average coach who coaches defense.

    Give me a break.

    When I mention SVG and "5 others" most people on this site know who those handful are: Karl, Pop, JVG, Phil Jackson, and depending on who you ask Hollins (that whole not liking analytics makes me woozy on him though -- My 5th is usually Coach K). Do I have to list my guys just because you want to pretend to know what's in my mind?...jokes.

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    Quote Other Scott wrote: View Post
    Here's the problem with hiring someone you will predict to be a "better" coach. It can go horribly wrong. 5 years ago, Mike D'Antoni was thought to be a top 2 coach in the league. Anyone still think that? He had the right situation in Phoenix with the right type of players who could run his game. Otherwise, things go poorly.

    We know Casey is approximately the right type of coach for these players. Are there people out there who could do a better job with this group? Almost certainly. Good luck guessing who, though. You are much more likely to go a step down due to trying to change the playing style than you are to be successful.
    The bold could be said about every single coaching hire and fire ever. The GM is paid millions to do the research and find the right coach. The GM either knows what the fuck they're doing or they don't. All this nonsense of SVG or bust is just fucking nonsense. Two examples of superior coaches hired just last season.
    Budenholzer in Atlanta is clearly a superior coach to Casey and was just hired last year, no head coaching experience prior. Jeff Hornacek is clearly a better coach than Casey, just hired last year, no head coaching experience. These guys are out there.

    If a GM is worth anything (I think Masai is one of the best), he will be able to find a coach and won't poop his pants wondering "what if" it doesn't work out. Rehiring Casey because it's safe is exactly how franchises get stuck in the middle, and Masai won't get us stuck there.

    The argument to keep Casey is like an argument to have kept Calderon over Lowry. Calderon had been here (stability), he was really good at one aspect of the game and very bad at another (good offense, bad defense), and he was safe (you know what you get). Lowry was risky (fought with head coaches, inconsistent, injuries, and never quite showed his potential), but the risk is worth it if it means you could win it all (finally, a true championship caliber PG in Lowry).

    I swear everyone has fucking amnesia over Casey's first 2 years here. He has been really bad the majority of his time as coach of Toronto.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Casey is a good coach in my opinion, and his strengths fit this team quite well. We've got a tough team capable of strong defensive showings, and that's who Casey is.
    Our strengths include

    1) Offensive rebounding
    2) Advantage in the paint
    3) Young guys
    4) Defense
    5) Toughness

    Defense is Casey's calling card

    Toughness I would argue is Lowry's stamp

    The rest however, Casey stifles and it really hurts the team at times.

    I think he is a stable, good coach. But I want a Wizard

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    Shams Charania: Kevin Ollie's undoubtedly loyal to UConn, but he'll listen to any NBA coaching interest, sources tell RealGM. One of best young candidates. Twitter @ShamsCharania
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    If we lose games 6 and 7 we really need to give serious consideration to changing coaches. Casey's using Salmons over Fields is a huge mistake.

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    If we lose games 6 and 7 we really need to give serious consideration to changing coaches. Casey's using Salmons over Fields is a huge mistake.
    If we lose this series it will be an epic fucking choke job. Casey should be fired on the spot if that happens. The home team wins game 7 80% of the time, so the odds are still on our side.

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    Head Coach is not the problem. Lack of Talent is ... MU is a good GM in moving BAD contracts but has no wining record or a resume that shows he is able to make a competitive team.

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    If we lose games 6 and 7 we really need to give serious consideration to changing coaches. Casey's using Salmons over Fields is a huge mistake.
    So you think playing a one-armed man over a two-armed man would make him a better coach?

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    If we lose this series it will be an epic fucking choke job. Casey should be fired on the spot if that happens. The home team wins game 7 80% of the time, so the odds are still on our side.
    Depends how they lose for me. If the Raptors get their asses to them at home, you definitely have to start looking elsewhere. If they lose to some falling-out-of-bounds, hail-mary 3 or Amir's foot falls off halfway through the game, well you have to chalk that up to shit happens.

    I think most fans are overrating the talent we have, to be honest.

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    Quote bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
    So you think playing a one-armed man over a two-armed man would make him a better coach?
    Well, Fields has two legs, Salmons effectively has none. Salmons is a catastrophe at this point. This was his best game and it was still terrible. He is a ball stopper. His shooting has been dreadful. He dribbles himself into trouble a lot now since he has no burst, and ends up taking bad shots or making bad passes. Defensively he's not doing anything to stop JJ, and it's especially pointless to have him out there for defensive purposes if you're still going to have to double JJ on every possession and play with a handicap.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Well, Fields has two legs, Salmons effectively has none. Salmons is a catastrophe at this point. This was his best game and it was still terrible. He is a ball stopper. His shooting has been dreadful. He dribbles himself into trouble a lot now since he has no burst, and ends up taking bad shots or making bad passes. Defensively he's not doing anything to stop JJ, and it's especially pointless to have him out there for defensive purposes if you're still going to have to double JJ on every possession and play with a handicap.
    Ugh. We need a real back-up 3. They're both damaged goods.

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    Quote bryan colangelo wrote: View Post
    Ugh. We need a real back-up 3. They're both damaged goods.
    Yes, absolutely. This is priority #1 in the offseason. We need size at the 3. And it would be nice to get 2 quality (in terms of at least being actually serviceable) wings...aforementioned one with size, and one more with some sort of dependable skill set.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Ollie!
    Are you comfortable bringing in yet another inexperienced coach? I mean, the guy's coached what, 2 seasons of college?

    Not saying its a bad idea, but I really would like to hear what the reasons are for him getting so much NBA attention, as I don't follow the college game too closely.

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