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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    you know what...

    the people that have serious questions about some of Casey's decisions have valid points.

    the people that believe he is the right coach and has done a good job have valid points.

    I don't really think anyone is wrong here, and frankly I'm kinda torn myself. I'm not unhappy about him coming back. I am pleased that there may be some semblence of consistency for the first time in a long time.
    Consistency seems to be a recurring theme coming from the players and it makes sense. Who could perform well at their job if their boss kept on changing along with the expectations of them. Might as well give this a shot.

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    Quote Vásquez_Valančiūnas wrote: View Post
    I know Dwayne Casey just got resigned and I'm happy for him and all but knowing Marc Jackson just got fired it's fun to wonder what might of been if we waited a little while before committing to Casey. that said I think that not resigning Casey might have sent the wrong message to to our player, especially our free agents, like Kyle Lowry. BTW I'm not saying that we should go back on our deal with Casey.
    Well, considering Jackson sucked at all the things Casey critics complain about, but also had an ego that clashed with management and the rest of his coaching staff, I'm not sad at all he won't be an option.

    People tend to overrate coaches of other successful teams. Even a guy like George Karl.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I don't remember hearing that.
    Damn! *runs and hides*

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    Quote stooley wrote: View Post
    Sometimes, but I don't think an extra five minutes per game is that critical.

    You look at a guy like Miles Plumlee, killing it in Phoenix who played 5 mpg last year and 25 mpg this year.

    I think giving a guy 5 extra minutes per night to work through a mistake and pulling them to tell them what went wrong, before putting them back out are different but equivalent methods of developing a player.

    If you've got an hour of practice per day, does it matter if you spend 45 practicing, and 15 being taught, or 40 practicing and 20 being taught? *or does it matter more who's doing the teaching and who's doing the practicing?
    Averages are one thing but consistency is another.

    Look at the wild fluctuations in playing time for Ross and JV.
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    something that struck me during the press conference was that he was sending Mermuys to LA to help work with the player development in the offseason. That convinced me that we need to keep consistent with not only the head coach but also the coaching staff. At least for another year to see if we can go even higher (50 plus win season + second round in playoffs + contender status).

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    Quote jshchn wrote: View Post
    something that struck me during the press conference was that he was sending Mermuys to LA to help work with the player development in the offseason. That convinced me that we need to keep consistent with not only the head coach but also the coaching staff. At least for another year to see if we can go even higher (50 plus win season + second round in playoffs + contender status).
    I'd say that anything short of 50 wins next season would be a let down and a step back. Regardless of what's going on in the conference.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Averages are one thing but consistency is another.

    Look at the wild fluctuations in playing time for Ross and JV.
    Look at the wild fluctuations in their play. Consistency isn't about playing time. It's about rewarding and punishing behaviour. It's about setting expectations and not moving the bar and holding guys accountable to those expectations. Of course you have to leave some wiggle room but people respond to accountability.

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    Quote Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    Look at the wild fluctuations in their play. Consistency isn't about playing time. It's about rewarding and punishing behaviour. It's about setting expectations and not moving the bar and holding guys accountable to those expectations. Of course you have to leave some wiggle room but people respond to accountability.
    Why doesn't this apply to vets like Salmons and Hayes?

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Why doesn't this apply to vets like Salmons and Hayes?
    Vets win games. Duh.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Why doesn't this apply to vets like Salmons and Hayes?
    Salmons and Hayes do make the odd mistake, but their issues aren't the same as JV and TRoss. They are just very limited physically. JV and TRoss have far more talent and physical ability, but they also are far more prone to mental errors .

    Missing a couple of shots is excusable. Failing to box out, leaving the ball down for an easy strip. lobbing lazy passes or constantly failing to properly rotate is less excusable to Casey.

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    Somewhat off topic, but should Masaii bring in Mark Jackson to be a part of the coaching staff?
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    Quote YoungGunRaptor wrote: View Post
    Somewhat off topic, but should Masaii bring in Mark Jackson to be a part of the coaching staff?
    Good god no. He was alienating the coaching staff and front office because of his ego when he was a head coach...Can't imagine what he would be like as an assistant.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Good god no. He was alienating the coaching staff and front office because of his ego when he was a head coach...Can't imagine what he would be like as an assistant.

    Yeah, I agree with that. What about as a commentator?

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Good god no. He was alienating the coaching staff and front office because of his ego when he was a head coach...Can't imagine what he would be like as an assistant.
    Why do you think it was Jackson and not the front office that was at fault? Jackson turned that team from a joke to contenders in a year. They were 1 shot away from taking down arguably the best team in the West.

    Now considering all that there's no way he's taking a non-head coach job but I'm just saying, why do you believe he was the problem?

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Why do you think it was Jackson and not the front office that was at fault? Jackson turned that team from a joke to contenders in a year. They were 1 shot away from taking down arguably the best team in the West.

    Now considering all that there's no way he's taking a non-head coach job but I'm just saying, why do you believe he was the problem?
    Well it's not like he got their talent to overachieve. They had one of the most talented rosters even in the stacked West. 2 of his assistants had to be removed from the picture, and he managed to alienate Jerry West, one of the greatest basketball minds ever.

    I fully think Jackson was the problem. There can't be that many issues and it's everyone else's fault.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    Why do you think it was Jackson and not the front office that was at fault? Jackson turned that team from a joke to contenders in a year. They were 1 shot away from taking down arguably the best team in the West.

    Now considering all that there's no way he's taking a non-head coach job but I'm just saying, why do you believe he was the problem?

    Yeah, they went from a 23 win team in his first year to a 50+win team the next.

    Also, he was the one that put Steph Curry in the leadership position and also gave him the opportunity to become a superstar.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Why doesn't this apply to vets like Salmons and Hayes?
    because if jonas or ross make some mistakes and develope bad habits, it fucks us up in the future

    if salmons or hayes make a mistake and develope bad habits, who the fuck cares
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    Warriors are stacked at every position, they under achieved if anything. Warriors have been my 2nd team since Bogut went there so I watch all their games. His rotations are even worse than Casey's. For the first half of the year he was bringing in all 5 bench guys at the same time and regularly losing 20 point leads to nothing in a few minutes. Their offense is seriously questionable. So many awful iso post ups with David Lee, Klay and Harrison Barnes (ugh). For as many brilliant shooters, passers and players they have, their offense was broken much of the time. It took him 3/4 of the year to work out that Draymond Green is way better than Barnes and deserves big minutes. He never played the defensive juggernaut lineup of Bogut, Green, Iggy, Klay and Steph together even though it is absolutely immense. And on top of it he has a gigantic ego and had two of his assistants removed like stated above. The players absolutely adore him (at least publicly) , mostly due to his religious ways so they're probably upset at this.

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    Quote BigCamB wrote: View Post
    Warriors are stacked at every position, they under achieved if anything. Warriors have been my 2nd team since Bogut went there so I watch all their games. His rotations are even worse than Casey's. For the first half of the year he was bringing in all 5 bench guys at the same time and regularly losing 20 point leads to nothing in a few minutes. Their offense is seriously questionable. So many awful iso post ups with David Lee, Klay and Harrison Barnes (ugh). For as many brilliant shooters, passers and players they have, their offense was broken much of the time. It took him 3/4 of the year to work out that Draymond Green is way better than Barnes and deserves big minutes. He never played the defensive juggernaut lineup of Bogut, Green, Iggy, Klay and Steph together even though it is absolutely immense. And on top of it he has a gigantic ego and had two of his assistants removed like stated above. The players absolutely adore him (at least publicly) , mostly due to his religious ways so they're probably upset at this.
    I think the players love him also because of his lame offensive system which lets guys iso and basically freelance however they want. Lots of players like that kind of coach.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I think the players love him also because of his lame offensive system which lets guys iso and basically freelance however they want. Lots of players like that kind of coach.
    I think the ISO stuff is on Jackson, he encourages it. he's really old school and seems to think what worked in his day works today as well.

    If you read the quotes of all the players defending him en masse when questioned about his possible firing a few months ago, they all say how much they love him and what a great father figure he is and that he's brought them closer to god etcetcetc

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