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    Quote jamshid wrote: View Post
    is he a rfa or just a fa this summer ?
    ufa.
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    Aminu appears to be an unrestricted free agent...I don't know how that happened though.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Aminu appears to be an unrestricted free agent...I don't know how that happened though.
    http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...-aminus-value/

    At the start of the 2012-13 NBA season, the Hornets declined Al-Farouq Aminuís 2013-14 player option worth about $3.7 million, making him an unrestricted free agent this summer. At the time, opinions were split on whether or not doing so was a good idea, but neither side appeared to be terribly distraught or excited then the team reached its decision. Since then, his play has improved enough that if the Hornets could go back in time, they very well might have picked up that option.
    After reading that blog about Aminu, I have sort of cooled about the idea of acquiring him because there is a chance you can grab someone cheaper and just as effective from the draft.
    Last edited by Hotshot; Thu May 8th, 2014 at 11:06 PM.

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    the draft will be crucial, we need a to find a diamond in the rough at #20.
    The name's Bond, James Bond.

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    Quote RaptorsFohEva wrote: View Post
    the draft will be crucial, we need a to find a diamond in the rough at #20.
    I would trade #20+#37 to move up to top 15

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    Quote Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post
    I would trade #20+#37 to move up to top 15
    That would be good, but do you think we could maybe trade 20 and 59 to Phoenix, for one of their higher picks?
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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...-aminus-value/



    After reading that blog about Aminu, I have sort of cooled about the idea of acquiring him because there is a chance you can grab someone cheaper and just as effective from the draft.
    aminu is useless ... if he was worth of damn new Orleans would keep him so why would we want him?. ... I hope ujiri could find better then the trash from bad teams

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    Give James Johnson the full MLE.

    Oh wait, is Colangelo not the GM still?

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    Quote Niagara Raptor wrote: View Post
    aminu is useless ... if he was worth of damn new Orleans would keep him so why would we want him?. ... I hope ujiri could find better then the trash from bad teams
    Because New Orleans is a well managed team...

    Seriously though, it all comes down to price. Aminu is known as a limited player. He may be available on the cheap, and with the team likely not looking to add any significant money, that could be a fairly solid low-risk move.

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    I'm going to side with Jalen Rose and say that shot blocking and steals are the most overrated stats in basketball because both involve gambling on defense. Big men that attempt to block shots too often aren't boxing out and are often out of position for the defensive rebound.

    For example, Anthony Davis is considered an elite defender, and New Orleans led the league in blocks, but they were only 23rd in rebounds.

    Jalen claims that a good defensive big man should average 3 blocks a game max. Their primary goal is to change the shot, not block it. And it makes sense to groom JV in that direction. JV definitely isn't mobile enough to recover from a missed block.

    Personally, I think the team needs a younger, more mobile version of Chuck Hayes that is taller than our backup PG.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Give James Johnson the full MLE.

    Oh wait, is Colangelo not the GM still?
    I actually would love to get James back lol just not at MLE price
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure why you believe this is easy.

    - Signing Lowry, GV and Patterson under $18M collectively is difficult especially since KL played like an all-star and will be one of the most desirable free agents
    - Potentially going into luxury to swing trades for Salmons/Novak/Hansborogh to get richer contracts but additional prospects/picks (especially when picks/prospects are valued highly and many teams have cap space already) and ensuring those contracts run out in 2015
    - Signing Aminu who is liked in NO and could use his skill-set just as easily as Toronto could
    - Getting an extra first round pick.


    I'd be very happy if that happened.. and that's not easy in my opinion.

    Signing mediocre players to big contracts - now that's easy.
    Yeah, I don't see how it is easy either.

    Resisting the urge to overspend - though the rules allow you to do just that.
    Risking short term sacrifice (losing a player) in order to maintain a long term vision.
    Finding a player who will be able to contribute to the team in the draft at #20.
    Signing value contracts in free agency.
    Obtaining another of what is one of the most highly coveted assets right now (1st round draft picks).


    Pfffffft, how easy is all that?
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    Quote RaptorsFohEva wrote: View Post
    the draft will be crucial, we need a to find a diamond in the rough at #20.
    good thing Masai's first draft pick ever was one Kenneth Faried aka the Manimal at #22...man has an eye for gems

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    I doubt PF is a real concern in Ujiri's mind.

    IF; PP resigns and Amir is still around we have 2 different looks at PF that have proven themselves to be significant contributors to our team on both sides of the ball. We can steal a page from Gibby's book and platoon them over the 48 minutes. Giving us 2 different skill sets at the 4. 24 minutes of expert screens and rolls to the basket & 24 minutes of pick and pop + Spacing.

    I don't buy the argument that SF is major sore spot for us. Playing Ross out of position there may expose some of his limitations(both physically and talent wise) but how many outside the Top 5 on this list are real threats to take over the game? If say Chandler Parsons is absolutely torching Ross for 40, it would be at the expense of shots for Howard and Harden. That's a game I want defensively. If Chandler Parsons beats you, just demolishes you, you shake your head - pack up and get on the bus.

    C is the bigger positional need. I have no idea how we solve that in the confines of our reality.

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    I doubt PF is a real concern in Ujiri's mind.

    IF; PP resigns and Amir is still around we have 2 different looks at PF that have proven themselves to be significant contributors to our team on both sides of the ball. We can steal a page from Gibby's book and platoon them over the 48 minutes. Giving us 2 different skill sets at the 4. 24 minutes of expert screens and rolls to the basket & 24 minutes of pick and pop + Spacing.

    I don't buy the argument that SF is major sore spot for us. Playing Ross out of position there may expose some of his limitations(both physically and talent wise) but how many outside the Top 5 on this list are real threats to take over the game? If say Chandler Parsons is absolutely torching Ross for 40, it would be at the expense of shots for Howard and Harden. That's a game I want defensively. If Chandler Parsons beats you, just demolishes you, you shake your head - pack up and get on the bus.

    C is the bigger positional need. I have no idea how we solve that in the confines of our reality.
    Agree on PF. Completely disagree on SF. Out of your list James, Anthony and George + Pierce/Johnson is our direct completion to get to the next level and we are not getting there without someone who can guard these guys. Ross isn't a SF and is playing out of position. If Ujiri does not see another K.Leonard in the 20-23 range on the draft board this year... trade DD to get one. Everything else will follow once Fields and Hayes are gone in one year from now.

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    Quote vino wrote: View Post
    Agree on PF. Completely disagree on SF. Out of your list James, Anthony and George + Pierce/Johnson is our direct completion to get to the next level and we are not getting there without someone who can guard these guys. Ross isn't a SF and is playing out of position. If Ujiri does not see another K.Leonard in the 20-23 range on the draft board this year... trade DD to get one. Everything else will follow once Fields and Hayes are gone in one year from now.
    I don't know. Think Masai is the patient type. And didn't he say something about not making drastic moves? Trading DD to fill a hole would seem pretty drastic.

    Some thoughts:
    -Anyone we draft at 20 may be a project with massive holes in their game. So I wouldn't expect such a guy to step in immediately and fix our SF problems.
    -There could be a stopgap measure in free agency.
    -There could be less drastic trades that wouldn't require trading a core piece to get a starting calibre SF with size.

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    I don't buy the argument that SF is major sore spot for us. Playing Ross out of position there may expose some of his limitations(both physically and talent wise)
    I agree. For the most part over the course of the regular season Ross at SF doesn't hurt our team.

    Also because Ross is usually the one guarding the better of the wing players and/or the PG. The fact that we label him as a SF is a misnomer because he is often times playing the SG position defensively, and DD is playing the SF position defensively.

    So I would argue that it is DD that needs to be upgraded to a larger SF in terms of his position on the defensive end of the floor.

    Quote vino wrote: View Post
    Agree on PF. Completely disagree on SF. Out of your list James, Anthony and George + Pierce/Johnson is our direct completion to get to the next level and we are not getting there without someone who can guard these guys. Ross isn't a SF and is playing out of position. If Ujiri does not see another K.Leonard in the 20-23 range on the draft board this year... trade DD to get one. Everything else will follow once Fields and Hayes are gone in one year from now.
    1) Ross guarded George and absolutely shut him down, I'm not worried about that matchup.
    2) Nobody can guard James
    3) Anthony isn't all that relevant if he keeps playing like he does. He settles for jumpers so Ross should be able to handle him.
    4) JJ is a problem, though GV did a good job on him...
    5) Pierce is playing PF...but is also ancient, building your team to counter him at this point is not a good move.

    We do need a larger SF...but unless it is the right fit/type of player who has at least D and a 3 point shot already I would say just roll with Ross

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    as a follow up on what Butch Carter said, here's what he wrote (although this is more about what Casey has to do). Good read

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...in-at-the-end/
    just a great article.

    this is what it takes to get to the next level

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I don't see how it is easy either.
    I see the same group of people who supported BC for 7 years and never questioned his moves are now doing the same thing to MU. It is like a pattern and it seems like Matt, or mcHappy, you did not learn anything from the past 7 years.

    At some point of time we have to decide if we are an elite organization in NBA or not. Elite organizations are able to do what you said in your original post on yearly basis and this is how they stay elite. On the other hand, mediocroe teams, fail over and over and although they change coaches and GMs and ... due to the culture of their fans and organization fail to realize the mistakes and take the necessary steps to fix it.

    So if we are claiming that MU is a GREAT GM and one of the BEST and ... like most people here are doing these days, after giving him over a year to "evaluate this team" and with 100% support that he getting from management and fans, then he should be EASILY accomplish these task and not fail ....

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Resisting the urge to overspend - though the rules allow you to do just that.
    18 Million figure is what these guys are worth ... more than that is over paying ... Is it hard to not over pay ?? No it is not. You just have to have the discipline to do so ... if it is such a HARD task then MU can not do it, then why not stay with BC He was good at over paying.

    MU is here because he is SUPPOSE to be GREAT and he is SUPPOSE to not make the mistakes that BC made which was always OVER PAY the players.

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Risking short term sacrifice (losing a player) in order to maintain a long term vision.
    I am no basketball expert and I can see this to be very important to the success of this franchise. Almost 90% of the fans can see this and we have the BEST example of making this mistake in BC ... 7 years of not having long term goals and ...

    Now, it should be EASY for MU not to make the same mistake and there should be no prize for not doing that but a severe penalty if he does ... This is obvious mistake and a guy who is suppose to THIS GOOD, should not make such an amateur mistake especially when the guy before him LOST his job for making that mistake.

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Finding a player who will be able to contribute to the team in the draft at #20.
    Again, Elite organizations with elite GMs are doing that almost every year otherwise why be in the draft !!! We are going to be drafting around 15+ for next 3-4 years ... If we can not get a quality player then why not just bring Rob BabCock back and let him draft another Joey Graham for us ...

    MU is suppose to be the saviour and not another BabCock so he should again, EASILY be able to have the vision to draft the right player in that range and not mess it up ... Otherwise he is just another Babcock and another failure.
    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Signing value contracts in free agency.
    If he can not do that, lets just go back to BC and paying Hedo 50+ million ...

    This is summer for MU to make a statement and say that he has the ability to do these things ... Is it hard ? No, it is not. Almost 90% of NBA knew we overpaid for Hedo or our signing Oneal was a mistake and ...

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Obtaining another of what is one of the most highly coveted assets right now (1st round draft picks).
    Now, that I agree and it could be challenging since he failed to move Novak, Hayes, Fileds, Salmon before the trade deadline to acquire small assets and then package them together to get a one bigger one. Now, this is going to be hard.

    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Pfffffft, how easy is all that?
    Matt, you changed your user name but you have the same attitude like before. As guy who supported BC for 7 years, attacked and ridiculed anyone who slightly criticized BC for that period of time and put his total faith in his hand and was proven to be 100% WRONG ... you should take a step back and raise your expectations.

    We all need to raise our expectation and not be happy with the bare minimum. We are not asking MU to sign a SUPER STAR this off season and make Raptors a championship team next season and ... we are only asking him to make small and smart moves toward the bigger goal and to NOT MAKE the mistakes of Babcock and BC. That is all ...

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    we are only asking him to make small and smart moves toward the bigger goal and to NOT MAKE the mistakes of Babcock and BC. That is all ...
    Yes, this is what we need this year. Small moves, nothing that can backfire and handcuff us later.

    And btw, even good GMs make mistakes because there is inherently an element of luck in predicting the future. You can stack the odds in your favour, but you can't guarantee that the most likely outcome actually happens.

    All you can ask of a good GM is that he make moves that will likely favour the team.

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