I'll keep searching
I'll keep searching
Lowry had one spectacular season and he's only 27. I don't think you get him for 3 seasons because someone else is going to offer max years. PG's with that sort of ability, toughness and courage aren't exactly a dime a dozen.
Patterson is a must re-sign in my opinion. I hope they keep him.
Wolves need to move Love. So, assuming Love is willing to extend and trade (we'll just go ahead and credit Ujiri and Leiweke with the ability to sell him), or the Raps are just extremely confident we can re-sign him, what about these ideas?
First, assuming the Wolves are looking for youth, picks, cap solace, blowing it up.
Wolves send Love, Martin (21.1M)
Raptors send Ross, Salmons, Hansbrough, Hayes, 1st 2014, better of NYK/TOR 2016 (19.2M)
Wolves shed 8M really quick waiving JS and TH, take on one expiring and a rookie scale, and get two picks. Good return for a disgruntled star. Free up a lot of long term salary. Still have Pekovic as a trade piece.
Raptors get their superstar, take on a vet piece in Martin who can shoot, to help spread the floor (Lowry, Martin, Love spread the floor nicely for DD and JV to work inside). Re-sign Vasquez to backup the 1 and 2, Patterson to round out the big rotation (with Amir taking the backup C minutes), and letting Fields play as the defensive specialist in the wing rotation (need a little help there with DD and Martin on the wing).
Lowry - Vasquez - de Colo
Martin - Ross - Vasquez
DD - Ross - Fields
Love - Patterson - Johnson
JV - Johnson - 2nd rounder
Second, if the Wolves are looking to retool, rather than rebuild. Assume they want to keep Martin as a key piece, bring in good players to put around Pekovic and Rubio. Still want a pick probably, and some salary relief.
Wolves send Love, Brewer (19.2M)
Raptors send DeRozan, Amir Johnson, 1st 2014 (16M)
Wolves get a starting calibre PF, all-star SG, a little salary relief, a rookie, and rid of Brewer's long term deal (and player option).
Raptors get Love and a 3+D wing (mostly D, frankly). Re-sign Patterson and Vasquez. Sign a wing with the MLE. Waive Hansbrough and Salmons, unless they can be used in a trade for a wing or backup C.
Lowry - Vasquez - de Colo
Ross - Vasquez - Fields
Brewer - MLE - Fields
Love - Patterson - 2nd rounder
JV - Hayes
You have Ross in the first trade and in the lineup, do you mean a rookie?
And I think that another team could package together a better package.
The name's Bond, James Bond.
Gonna throw a wild card out there...
Detroit gets: Salmons, Hansbrough, Novak (or some slight variation of our non-core players, ie Hayes, Fields)
Raptors get: Josh Smith
Rationale: One of Detroit's 3 starting bigs has got to go. Everyone talks about signing Monroe as a RFA, although he is a questionable fit with JV, and his defense is lacklustre. Everyone (rightfully) hates on Josh Smith, but a big part of the problem was his (foreseeably) terrible fit in that lineup. He had a very bad season, but he was a terrible fit in a disfunctional organization.
He is an elite defender versus most 3s and 4s, as well as a top-notch rim protector. He is also very good offensive player if he focuses on his strengths in transition, slashing, and in the post. That's a big if, obviously, but our strong organization and team chemistry, with leaders like Lowry, Demar, and Amir, could help in that regard.
Casey would obviously have to hold him accountable, and essentially ban all jump shots beyond 16 feet. FWIW, something like this happened in 2009-10, when Smith only took seven 3-pointers all season and finished with a FG% of .505. Last season he attempted 265 3-pointers!
Amir would move to our 3rd big, capable of backing up both Smith and JV for 20-30 minutes/night, which would limit wear and tear on his beatdown body. We could keep Patterson as our 4th big, let him walk, or S&T him for a good-value backup 5 or 3.
Detroit does this to get out of Smith's onerous contract, which obviously isn't working for them. They get cap relief from Salmons, Hansbrough buyouts, and SVG gets a little more flexibility in building his team around the killer Drummond/Monroe tandem. Also, Novak would have some appeal spreading the floor for these two young bigs. Throw in a 2nd rounder or two if needed.
Essentially, Josh Smith's stock has never been lower, but in Atlanta was a borderline all-star and legit 2-way player. In the right situation, there's no reason to think he can't regain that form. Is Toronto that right situation?
Last edited by The Chef; Sun May 18th, 2014 at 10:31 PM.
I don't see Masai wanting to tie up that much future cap space on a declining overpaid malcontent. Josh Smith would be great if he didn't think he was a superstar and could play second fiddle. That has never been the case though.
I would do that trade in a heartbeat and adding a couple second rounders would get Detroit to say yes. If smith plays pf and is not the first option, he obviously isn't going to be, we can be a dangerous team. Smith can guard the lebrons and joe penis of the league. But only if he doesn't shoot us out of games, and that's a major IF
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Malcontent, maybe, but I wouldn't say Josh Smith is declining. He's 28, with no major injury concerns. Last season he suffered a major drop-off in efficiency & productivity, but since that coincided with his switch to a new team that was an obviously poor fit, I'm willing to bet he can regain his borderline All-Star form given the right situation.
It just seems that this is a textbook "buy low" opportunity, and a player who's skill-set (athleticism, rim protection, interior scoring) fit our team needs.
Rough calculations put us at about $3-5mil under the luxury tax after completing the trade (assuming we bring back all our FAs), with 11 players signed, not including our draft picks. We could use some of our mid-level to add another bench player (eg. Wesley Johnson), fill up with our 2 top draft picks (stash our late 2-rounder) and we have this roster:
1.Lowry 2.Vazquez 3.DeColo
1.Derozan 2.Wesley Johnson 3. (Empty roster spot for flexibility)
1.Ross 2.Fields 3.#20 pic
1.Smith 2.Patterson 3.Hayes
1.JV 2.Amir 3.#37 pick
Super athletic, extremely versatile, this team can run, shoot, and defend. After next season expire Hayes and Fields shedding over $12mil, we add more draft picks, and though we don't have much (if any) cap space, we have the cap exceptions, and lots of trade assets that could be used for another upgrade in talent and/or experience.
Last edited by The Chef; Sun May 18th, 2014 at 10:28 PM.
This is only true if smoove doesn't shoot threes, and that's a massive IF
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To the Love Trade: We're not getting him. You want a better offer? Gibson+Mirotic+2014 pick. Dragic+Morris+Frye+2 1st rounders. Barnes/Thompson+Green+Lee+Future First rounder. Shoot, they'd probably prefer the high Lakers pick. But Love will not be a Raptor. Sad reality of the situation.
To the Smith Trade: Not a fan. In a vacuum, giving up those assets for Smith is wonderful. But on a team with three capable bigs, two of whom play the 4, Smith will have to spend at least a little time at the 3. Factor in that Ross is not a 3 despite all attempts to convince us to the contrary, he's going to probably start at the 3. Ugh. Now, in conjuction with a trade for a real SF, preferably sending away either Amir or 2-Pat, that's something I can get behind.
Just a useless trade
A Josh Smith trade as outlined is a bad idea because we're essentially repeating Detroit's problem: with Smith as a 3, we're running a front line that provides no spacing and clogs the paint, and then relying on the backcourt to provide spacing except whoops DeMar is an average three-point shooter at best so no, it's a bad idea. If we run Smith as a 4, then he works, but we have good talent at the 4 already who's more economical.
Josh Smith is a good player, but he's not a good fit for us. He'd excel on a team with heaps of three-point shooting; Golden State should be talking to Detroit about a straight-up David Lee for Smith trade if the Warriors can't land Kevin Love, Houston could send over Jeremy Lin, etc. But we're an average three-point shooting team at best.
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