I wouldn't include Ross, because, as pointed out above, if we were to get Josh Smith, we'd need as much 3-point shooting on the roster as possible. I'd include a future first-rounder (not 2014), or maybe one of Patterson or Greivis in a S&T.
I think it boils down to talent. You need lots to win, and this is an opportunity to buy some serious talent at a relative bargain.
This move wouldn't give us a "complete" roster, but I'd think we'b be a few simple tweaks from being really good.
I agree on Ross being a little undersized at the 3, but he's still young enough that he should be able to add a little more muscle and toughness aver the next few seasons. Also, my preferred use of our #20 pick in this year's draft is a big, athletic 3.
If SVG likes and wants to keep Josh Smith, then that's it. The trade idea ends right there. If he doesn't want Smith, then there's no reason to add 1st rounders. That would be as bad as when the Knicks gave 1st rounders for Bargnani for no reason.
The big question to me is do the Raptors want Josh Smith at all. If they do, then I think this offer is fine.
PS: Detroit's rumored offer for Rudy was better than Sacramento's. No salaries past this year. Stuckey is solid for a bench player. Compare to getting Patterson for a few months and then some 7 mil+ of bad salaries for next year.
I'd rather have Amir than Smith. I am no fan of J. Smooth and I think the Raps should avoid him. I can see how his skill set could fit with this team, but I don't think his attitude and personality would mesh well. He seems like a lazy douche to me. If we could flip him for something of value, while only giving up non-core pieces to acquire him, then I might be more inclined to consider. But having Smith as your highest paid player and getting 30 + minutes a night has disaster written all over it IMO.
I think you'd have to add a little more to that deal (Hansbrough/Salmons/Novak) to get the Pistons listening, but not much. Maybe the right to swap future draft picks or something. The Smith contract has been tossed around as one of the worst in the entire league since practically the day he signed it. They just gave SVG $35 million to overhaul this thing and right now the biggest hinderance of widespread change on that roster is Josh Smith. Plus Smith doesn't appear to be a typical Van Gundy type of player. I think they're very motivated to move him this summer.
What it does for the Raptors is a completely different conversation. I have to say that I'm intrigued, but it's probably too big of a risk for Ujiri to ever consider it in the real world.
I say no to Smith.. I don't like the idea of losing our cap space for him.. but I also really don't like inefficient players. After seeing Gay on the team I think that's the last thing I'd want back on the team.. another inefficient/trigger happy player.
You think the Suns give up that much for Love? Good on you, but I'm sure the Suns fans are glad you aren't their GM.
You think the Wolves want ANYTHING to do with Lee's contract? GSW can't send picks either.
Raps Cap Off Season
DeMar Derozan - SG 1 $9,500,000 Under Contract
John Salmons $1,000,000 Buyout Residual
Amir Johnson - PF 1 $7,000,000 Team Option Exercised
Landry Fields -SF 3 $6,250,000 Under Contract
Kyle Lowry - PG 1 $10,000,000 Signed FA 4 Yrs 40M
Chuck Hayes - C 3 $5,958,750 Under Contract
Steve Novak -PF 3 $3,445,947 Under Contract
Jonas Valanciunas C 1 $3,678,360 Under Contract
Tyler Hansbrough $1,000,000 Buyout Residual
Patrick Patterson PF 2 $6,000,000 4 Years 24M
Marcus Camby * $646,609 Buyout Residual
Terrence Ross SF 1 $2,793,960 Under Contract
Greivis Vasquez PG/SG $4,500,000 3 Years 13.5M
Nando De Colo PG 3 $1,828,750 Under Contract
20th Kyle Anderson SF 2 $1,200,000 Salary Scale Replaces Salmons
Emeka Okafor C 2 $5,150,000 FA MLE for Non Tax Payers
Jarnell Stokes Draft 37 PF 3 $800,000 FA #2 Replaces Tyler
Quentin Richardson * $0 End of Contract
D.J. Augustin * $0 Traded
Julyan Stone $0 Waived
Dwight Buycks $0 Waived
Total salaries: $70,752,376
Start Bench Bench
C JV Okafor Hayes
PF Amir Ppat Stokes
SF Ross K.Anderson Novak Fields
PG Lowry Vasquez DeColo
If you were to roll the dice and choose not to pick up Amir's option and not use the mid level exception on Okafor or anyone else at 5.1M the Raps would be in a postion to offer a 4 year 48M deal to Greg Monroe. That slots Monroe as the starting PF with PPAT backing him up and Chuck Hayes remains at the back up centre. Price is no Amir - worth it ?
Depth Chart w/Monroe signing
Start Bench Bench
C JV Hayes Patric Young
PF Monroe Ppat Jarnell Stokes
SF Ross K. Anderson Novak &Fields
SG Derozan Ross
PG Lowry Vasquez DeColo
Total salaries: $71,402,376
Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 19th, 2014 at 03:38 PM.
Who do we have behind DD?
The name's Bond, James Bond.
I am all in on Monore if we can get him in without giving up more than Amir. I love Amir. I love the warrior in him but I am over the top on the upside of Monroe and how he fills a hole with a consistent and healthy low post player who we can draw up plays for.
Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 19th, 2014 at 03:35 PM.
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