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    Are you rejecting the Baron for Hedo deal based on principle because I'm not sure if BC does that deal. Sure, I want to get rid of Hedo, but not for an over priced, past his prime point guard who hasn't realized he can't shoot the 3.

    Every trade is financially motivated and if you can trade one under performing player for another and create cap space with the addition of EC, its a win win. Clippers are rebuilding around Gordon, Griffin and the LA allure. I think they would love to shed Baron to get a quality vet and and an EC throw at a big name via a sign and trade.

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    Quote Dave wrote: View Post
    Would that not be a trade for talent? Talent for talent, Hedo for Baron.

    I don't understand how the expiring contracts improve the odds of the Clippers wanting to make that trade. I don't think it changes their decision.

    (1) Hedo for Baron? No deal. We don't think that's enough value for Baron Davis.
    (2) Hedo + expirings for Baron? Oh, yes, that is a lot more valuable and we're interested in that.


    I don't see the end result changing because of the inclusion of the expiring contracts. Therefore, I don't see them as a significant piece of this specific trade idea. Just a makeweight piece. Items which do not change the principle idea of the deal -- talent for talent, Hedo for Baron.
    Sorry if that was unclear -- badly laid out -- they, the italic section, were two make believe answers from the Clippers.

    The first question is a straight Hedo Turkoglu for Baron Davis swap with the Clippers deciding that there is not enough value coming back to them in the trade so they decline the offer.

    The second question adds an expiring contract to the mix along with Turkoglu in exchange for Baron Davis resulting in the Clippers changing their minds and they decide to accept the deal. The expiring contracts swung the decision.

    I do not understand how those two situations can be true. I do not understand how a small-to-medium sized expiring contract improves the attractiveness of LA adding Turkoglu's large contract to such a large degree.

    I believe that if the Clippers were willing to trade Baron Davis for Hedo Turkoglu that the expiring contract would only play a very small part. The essential part of the trade is still talent. It's Hedo for Baron and whether they feel that is an upgrade for them or not. The addition of the expiring contract will not alter that assessment to such a large degree that the Clippers change their minds. Ergo, the expiring contract is only a makeweight and does not make Turkoglu a more attractive trade target.
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    The Baron Davis scenario I mentioned was in the case they won the lotto and got John Wall. I thought I said this very clearly. In that scenario they're going to want to cut ties with Davis. A starting five of Kaman, Griffin, Turkoglu, Gordon and Wall looks pretty damn good if you ask me. The expiring contracts play into the hand of a Clippers' owner who has been reluctant to spend on many occasions.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The Baron Davis scenario I mentioned was in the case they won the lotto and got John Wall. I thought I said this very clearly. In that scenario they're going to want to cut ties with Davis. A starting five of Kaman, Griffin, Turkoglu, Gordon and Wall looks pretty damn good if you ask me. The expiring contracts play into the hand of a Clippers' owner who has been reluctant to spend on many occasions.
    Yes, and assuming that ... Why does LA walk away from the first offer but decide to take the second offer?

    How is the inclusion of the expiring contract a deciding factor in the deal?

    I do not understand how the expiring contract makes Hedo Turkoglu a more attractive trade target. How it makes the Clippers more willing to take on his long term contract.
    Last edited by Dave; Mon Mar 22nd, 2010 at 07:58 PM.

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    I do not understand how the expiring contract makes Hedo Turkoglu a more attractive trade target. How it makes the Clippers more willing to take on his long term contract.
    Because they want Davis out, they've had difficulties moving him and in doing this deal they lower their overall cap number in the following year. That may be important with the cap and luxury tax threshold dropping. On top of that they remove Davis from the team and land a player who's been proven to work very well with strong low post presences.

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    (1) Hedo Turkoglu + minimum contract

    (2) Hedo Turkoglu + $2-3 million expiring contract

    (3) Hedo Turkoglu + $5 million expiring contract

    Which is Toronto's best offer? Which offer is most likely to be accepted by the LA Clippers in exchange for Baron Davis? And why?

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    Nevermind, it's not worth debating this any further.

    Summary -- I do not think the expiring contract adds any considerable value to a possible trade package. I do not think it makes Hedo Turkoglu a more attractive trade target.

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    Yeah, I got that about a page or so ago. I disagree. Case closed.

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