All it would take is for him to make about 7 of those 15 shots and maybe 1 of them is a three a game. Then 5 or 6 free throws a night and you still have him scoring 20 a game. Don't think the assists or rebounds would drop at all, in fact they would probably increase.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I do think it's telling that in your extensive analysis of Derozan's game you devote little to no analysis of Demar on the defensive end.
What does he bring defensively?
What positives do the raps enjoy with him on defense?
What are his short-comings defensively?
What defensive schemes should the raptors use to maximize his strengths/minimize his weaknesses?
What skills do surrounding players need to have to make up for Derozan's weaknesses/run optimal defensive schemes?
This isn't sarcasm, offense is only one half of the game, and any evaluation of how likely the raps are to win a championship with Derozan needs to take into account offense & defence, in equal measure.
What does DeRozan bring defensively? Well let's be real, DeRozan is an average defender. He can guard his position and some small-forwards or point guards depending on their size/quickness/scoring ability. He's not someone you want to send to guard the best player on the other team, but he is capable of doing a solid job against role players on the defensive end.
What positives do the Raps enjoy with him on defense? Well DeRozan to me is a net-zero on defense. Doesn't really improve your defense, doesn't hurt it. As far as positives, he has good size for his position and is not likely to try to do too much on defense by over-helping or overplaying passing lanes which could leave your defense exposed. Also DeRozan is effective at limiting role players to being just that, role players. His isolation defense is excellent. Obviously he usually is not guarding players that excel in isolations, but what it does mean is that the "blow-bys" that people here like to harp on him for consistently are overstated.
What are his short-comings defensively? One thing that I've seen has improved quite a lot this year is the effort, that was really an issue for him in the past, now we're seeing a consistent effort on the defensive end which is great. One shortcoming is that his lateral quickness is not elite, which prevents him from being able to guard star wings (who usually have explosive first-steps); this can pose a problem because it requires him to play with a wing that is very good on the defensive end most of the time. Also, DeRozan does not defend the post well against larger players. We usually see this when Ross is asked to guard the smaller wing. DeRozan is undersized for the 3-spot so most of those guys can abuse him on the block and so can some bigger shooting guards (Joe Johnson for example, although he plays SF for Brooklyn).
What defensive schemes should the Raptors use? I think we're already using the right ones. We had the 10th ranked defense last year, and as Jonas improves as an anchor an Ross' defensive IQ increases I think that can only get better. The schemes right now do a pretty good job of preventing DeRozan from having to guard the best player on the other team and maximizing his defensive ability while minimizing the effect of his weaknesses.
What skills do surrounding players need to have? Ideally next to DeRozan what you'd want is a SF that has adequate size and length and is elite on the defensive end. Then obviously you want good rim protectors if his man gets beaten off the dribble. I think generally a championship team can get away with 1 or 2 average defenders in the starting lineup as long as the other 3 players are elite defensively and the coach puts together good schemes.
Nice response, and yes the word option, has an assumed connotation of offense, I just fell like when you talk about deep playoff runs you can't only look at one side of the ball.
I agree with most of what you say, but I'm not quite sure I can say he is average defensively, and/or a net zero on defense. If he improves the defense to get to the point of average/net zero, the case for keeping him would be MUCH stronger (EDIT: which would also raise the amount coming back to the Raps for Ujiri to accept a trade him).
I don't have the time for it, but it would be interesting to breakdown some of the defensive numbers of SGs who play 20+ minutes/game to get a better understanding of where he actually stands. Right now my evaluate of Demar is solely based on the eye test. Not that defensive stats are great, but it would be interesting to see where he comes down.
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Those are his Synergy defensive stats, but kind of old (from early January I think).
PPP(Points per Possession)
Synergy Stats from February 1st
Overall: 0.76 Ranks 34th
Isolation: 0.29 Ranks 1st
P&R Ball handler: 0.62 Ranks 17th
Post up: 0.93 Ranks 90
Spot up: 0.86 Ranks 46
OffScreen: 0.98 Ranks 55
All those ranks are league-wide ranks. Obviously DeRozan benefits from defending the worst of the other team's two wing players. But holding those players to 30 something percent shooting and the 34th best overall defensive PPP in the league is great too. I wish I could see the stats to compare him to other similar shooting guards but like I said I don't have access.
From looking at those stats though, his main issues are defending off-ball screens and post-up plays, which is pretty consistent with what you see during games. But even in those categories, he's better than average against his competition.
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