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    Quote navyblues wrote: View Post
    maybe for two seasons, but for the next four or five, bynum played as many or more minutes than odom. and he played with the bench unit.
    I only mean how Gasol's minutes where distributed. Bynum did play lots of time apart from Gasol of course. It made sense to keep Gasol and Bynum apart for long stretches and feature them in the post.

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    I don't know about title contender but it could potentially make us stronger. One would tend to be a little skeptical about this however, 'cause of the Hakeem O experience. It should be a harmless move though and Gasol being European might be interested. Gasol and Amir in the PF positions should be an upgrade over Amir and PP. PP can be signed and traded. A late first rounder in return is not impossible.
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    I think the first question you should ask is how much Gasol would have to be paid. I would imagine something like 3/30 at least. If he wants to play at a discount, there are bound to be plenty of more attractive options for him than playing PF in Toronto. So the Raptors would have to pay.

    It doesn't make sense to me to sign Pau to a significant contract and play him at a position that he struggles to defend more and more every year, next to a center who's not a good shooter.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    There is no WAY that Gasol will come to Toronto at this stage of his career. Case Closed.
    Never say never. He's apparently in Toronto at the moment. Twitter sources (so take it for what its worth) had him having dinner in downtown Toronto last night. Soooo, the wheels might just be spinning.

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    Pau wants to play for a contender and has said that he likes warm weather climates.. so I don't think Toronto would be a team he'd be on his radar.

    Even if he were interested he'd be in the same situation as any other top tier free agent this year: Deng, Stephenson, Monroe, Hayward, etc... we don't have the cap space assuming Lowry is back. If Lowry is gone than shouldn't we take a step back or try to get a PG instead of a PF/C?

    If Pau/Lakers agreed to a sign and trade than the Raptors would have to give back assets.. again not something I'd want to do for a guy that had Vertigo last season.

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    Quote maputo88 wrote: View Post
    Put yourself in Kyle Lowry's shoes. Pau makes sense if he will stay only if we are going to make big moves to be a serious contender. I don't like the idea of Pau on the Raptors but is the idae of him or someone like him because of Lowry?
    It is a moot point.

    To sign Pau or someone like him you have to renounce Lowry..... unless they are signing for the MLE.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    It is a moot point.

    To sign Pau or someone like him you have to renounce Lowry..... unless they are signing for the MLE.
    It's possible to have both. If you let 2Pat, Vasquez and Hansbrough go, you could offer Pau around 3/30. There's also an option to stretch some players.

    Feasible. I just don't think it's the best way to go.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    It's possible to have both. If you let 2Pat, Vasquez and Hansbrough go, you could offer Pau around 3/30. There's also an option to stretch some players.

    Feasible. I just don't think it's the best way to go.
    True.

    If you could get him in a sign and trade with LA that would be ideal.... if one was to do this.

    Then you'd still have MLE and could bring back Patterson.


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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    I think the first question you should ask is how much Gasol would have to be paid. I would imagine something like 3/30 at least. If he wants to play at a discount, there are bound to be plenty of more attractive options for him than playing PF in Toronto. So the Raptors would have to pay.

    It doesn't make sense to me to sign Pau to a significant contract and play him at a position that he struggles to defend more and more every year, next to a center who's not a good shooter.

    He would consider himself very lucky if he got 3/30 and whoever signs him to that sort of a deal would be making a big mistake. 2/10-12 sounds reasonable and Raps. should not pay any more.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    He would consider himself very lucky if he got 3/30 and whoever signs him to that sort of a deal would be making a big mistake. 2/10-12 sounds reasonable and Raps. should not pay any more.
    5-6 mil a year? Not going to happen. He might take a midlevel to go to a contender where he gets to play his game. I don't see him considering a two year midlevel to play half his minutes out of position on this team. I think he'd be insulted by that offer, to be honest.

    Me, I'd love to see him on the Mavs. That team is already so lovably weird, and Pau would make them even more fun. He fits in nicely too. They might prefer to have someone more like Tyson Chandler again but I'd be very curious to see what Carlisle could do with Pau.

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    Quote Dr. James Naismith wrote: View Post
    Never say never. He's apparently in Toronto at the moment. Twitter sources (so take it for what its worth) had him having dinner in downtown Toronto last night. Soooo, the wheels might just be spinning.
    Pretty sure the Toronto staff went to Eurobasket -- kind of why they had no Friday workouts. Bill Bayno (Raps Ass.) is the camp director this year.

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    Quote Dr. James Naismith wrote: View Post
    Never say never. He's apparently in Toronto at the moment. Twitter sources (so take it for what its worth) had him having dinner in downtown Toronto last night. Soooo, the wheels might just be spinning.
    It will take a lot of money or long term commitment to bring him to Toronto. He has said in many interviews that he is looking to be either with a contender or play with his brother or stay in LA since he loved the town and Lakers.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    He would consider himself very lucky if he got 3/30 and whoever signs him to that sort of a deal would be making a big mistake. 2/10-12 sounds reasonable and Raps. should not pay any more.
    LOL, in a world that Amir Johnson is getting 9 million, then you think Gasol 5-6 a year is reasonable !!! You need to do the math again.

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    I like Gasol and he would be a nice fit here but everyone knows that if he gonna come to Toronto,

    He will get atleast 12mill per year
    He's 2 years away from being 2 years away, but his wingspan is already here .

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    Someone's going to sign him to a long term deal and severely regret it.
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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    It's possible to have both. If you let 2Pat, Vasquez and Hansbrough go, you could offer Pau around 3/30. There's also an option to stretch some players.

    Feasible. I just don't think it's the best way to go.
    Nah, I think that's too much. Not being able to sign those players (with the exception of TH) is not ideal. Besides, Pau being beside a traditional centre like JV wouldn't work (didn't work with Dwight and if I can remember, with Bynum either).
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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    LOL, in a world that Amir Johnson is getting 9 million, then you think Gasol 5-6 a year is reasonable !!! You need to do the math again.
    Your info is misleading. Amir makes 9mil. in the final year of his contract. When he becomes FA, he will not be worth, even close to 9mil a year. This at the age of 28 (if I'm right).

    This is Tornto's hypothetical situation:

    Sign Gasol to a 3yr 30mil deal or re-sign PP to a 4yr 20mil deal. Considering PP's age, versatility, wide range and possible growth, it makes sense to go with the later UNLESS Gasol can be signed to a 2yr 12mil deal. Is Gasol worth more? Maybe but not in the "Toronto context". They've got more important things on their plate.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Your info is misleading. Amir makes 9mil. in the final year of his contract. When he becomes FA, he will not be worth, even close to 9mil a year. This at the age of 28 (if I'm right).

    This is Tornto's hypothetical situation:

    Sign Gasol to a 3yr 30mil deal or re-sign PP to a 4yr 20mil deal. Considering PP's age, versatility, wide range and possible growth, it makes sense to go with the later UNLESS Gasol can be signed to a 2yr 12mil deal. Is Gasol worth more? Maybe but not in the "Toronto context". They've got more important things on their plate.
    It's also wrong, since Amir is making $7M next year. Don't know where 9 came from.

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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    5-6 mil a year? Not going to happen. He might take a midlevel to go to a contender where he gets to play his game. I don't see him considering a two year midlevel to play half his minutes out of position on this team. I think he'd be insulted by that offer, to be honest.

    Me, I'd love to see him on the Mavs. That team is already so lovably weird, and Pau would make them even more fun. He fits in nicely too. They might prefer to have someone more like Tyson Chandler again but I'd be very curious to see what Carlisle could do with Pau.
    I think Dallas is a very interesting option for Gasol. Offensively it could be a dream fit. With shooters like Dirk and Jose, and a breakdown guy like Monta. They'd be incredibly hard to defend if they can utilize all those weapons.

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    Quote 2KJ wrote: View Post
    Why would our defense suffer? Pau is an underrated defender. People label him soft because of his frame, but he's no way soft. And the difference is that unlike Bosh who was the number 1 option, Pau is not. He's probably be number 2 or 3 as we have Demar and Lowry when he comes back. Also, Gasol has experience with playing with an elite shooting guard (Kobe) and a centre who can also score (Bynum) and was successful.

    The worst case for this would be that he will be Jermain 2.0 of Hakeem 2.0, both all-star bigs who were past their primes when they got here. I would only do this deal though for a reasonable contract though. We do need an upgrade at the 4 if we are to be legit contenders. Amir did a hell of a job these past 2 years, but his at his best when he's the first big off the bench with his energy. Patterson is decent too, and a great help defender, but he gets bullied inside by real Power Forwards (West, Boozer, Gibson) so I don't see him as our PF of the future.

    I wanted either Pau, Zbo or Monroe, with Pau being my favourite as he's the most versatile of the 3 and he gives us that veteran leadership and playoff/championship experience that a young team like us needs. Pau gets disrespected by everyone, calling him soft and shit, but I remember him leading those Memphis teams to their first playoffs ever, and how he carried Spain in FIBA Euros and FIBA Worlds.

    I don't think the east would be as crappy as this year. We were lucky that NY and BK, who were supposed to be the favourites sucked. So let's build up on that success. In Masai We Trust. And Fuck Brooklyn!
    How is Pau's Defense in comparison to Amir's, because that's whom he would be replacing.

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