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    Default Who Are the Raptors ideal trade partners?

    Realistically which teams have assets that we can aquire and assets we can can offer them with both teams having mutual interest?
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    I think we have three very good options.

    1. Try to get one or both of Chicago's 1st rounders and Boozer for Salmons and maybe a couple other pieces (future second or something)

    2. Try to get OKC's 1st ad Perkins for around same package as above

    3. Fleece the Knicks again.
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    I think we have three very good options.

    1. Try to get one or both of Chicago's 1st rounders and Boozer for Salmons and maybe a couple other pieces (future second or something)

    2. Try to get OKC's 1st ad Perkins for around same package as above

    3. Fleece the Knicks again.
    I think that last one is very doable. Shall we trade fields novak hayes and bikes for 8 unprotected firsts plus shumpert. Maybe they could throq in a future second as a sweetner?

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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    I think that last one is very doable. Shall we trade fields novak hayes and bikes for 8 unprotected firsts plus shumpert. Maybe they could throq in a future second as a sweetner?

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    What about we do the OKC trade, then we trade Perkins Hayes and Fields for Shumpert, Hardaway JR, and multiple future unprotected draft picks.
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    The Raptors are primed to trade with any team looking to create cap space and willing to give up players on rookie contracts and picks to do it.
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    What about we do the OKC trade, then we trade Perkins Hayes and Fields for Shumpert, Hardaway JR, and multiple future unprotected draft picks.
    I dont know man. I think dolan would want to give us more than that for a guy like hayes

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    Here is the problem with acquiring salary and picks for capspace...

    I was reading somewhere that A LOT of teams around the league have actual cap space they are willing to give up for boozer and other crazy salaries(Lin & Asik) thus driving the price for that transaction down to second rounders.

    While i am not sure which teams are actually willing to sacrifice this year's salary cap ( I can think of 1, the sixers) it does seem likely that the price is lower than we think it is.

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    Quote ball4life wrote: View Post
    Here is the problem with acquiring salary and picks for capspace...

    I was reading somewhere that A LOT of teams around the league have actual cap space they are willing to give up for boozer and other crazy salaries(Lin & Asik) thus driving the price for that transaction down to second rounders.

    While i am not sure which teams are actually willing to sacrifice this year's salary cap ( I can think of 1, the sixers) it does seem likely that the price is lower than we think it is.
    Those could be rumours leaked by CHI and HOU to try and shake up the market for those guys.

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    Quote ball4life wrote: View Post
    Here is the problem with acquiring salary and picks for capspace...

    I was reading somewhere that A LOT of teams around the league have actual cap space they are willing to give up for boozer and other crazy salaries(Lin & Asik) thus driving the price for that transaction down to second rounders.

    While i am not sure which teams are actually willing to sacrifice this year's salary cap ( I can think of 1, the sixers) it does seem likely that the price is lower than we think it is.
    Who are all these teams LMAO?

    I don't think there are A LOT of teams who wanna take back those salaries, raptors are on a short list

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    Who are all these teams LMAO?

    I don't think there are A LOT of teams who wanna take back those salaries, raptors are on a short list
    LOL exactly my question! And I looked it up just now.

    http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nba/

    As per the above,

    Realistically the teams would be

    Bucks
    Magic
    Sixers
    Lakers(if they want to throw in next season too, they might as well)
    Raptors
    Suns
    Jazz

    None of these teams have any intention of competing next season.. Except May be the Suns and Raptors.


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    The lakers fully intend to compete next year...whether they will or not is another question.

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    A couple of dance partners out there beyond the usual supects of OKC/Chicago

    You could do business potentially with Miami.
    They need to free up some cap space.
    We could trade them Salmons 7M and coming back is Cole (2M) and Haslam (4.6M) and their 26th pick.

    Miami clears 6M to help restructure.
    The raps get a first pick and Cole. They can cut/waive Decolo so thats a wash. Haslam has a team option and may opt out to try to resign elsewhere. If he doesn't We get a hard ass rebounder to replace TH when we waive him on June 29th.

    We may be able to do business with Phoenix as well. They have an lot of young players right now and the very real prospect of adding 3 more. Might not want to have that big a daycare/development roster. Operant word is might.
    If they deem they have to add some veteran talent they may listen to an offer of Amir + 2nd 2015 for the 14th or 18th pick.

    We are in a great position to deal with the Bulls as well and we have beaten that one to death. We just have to pay Boozer for a year and then we watch him + Landry + Hayes ride off into the sunset. One year blip on salary this year is a small price to pay to get another pick.
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    add the cavs to the mix

    new gm, new coach, they have no ties to any of their players. i like thompson and waiters, myself.

    pretty sure the writings on the wall for waiters, especially. casey could really use another bulldog, especially if Lowry leaves. their new coach Blatt actually coached that russian dude they drafted a year or two ago and word is he's a big fan of him. i predict he'll get good minutes this year, making waiters all the more expendable.
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    I can't say which teams would be ideal trade partners, but here's my two cents on our roster value:

    Hayes, Novak, Fields - Of next to no value to most teams. We're stuck with them unless we add them in bigger trade for salary purposes. Despite their bloated salary they've been solid citizens, so keeping them is not the end of the world.

    Vasquez - In an already PG talented league, his value is rather low. I'd say keep him for the right price.

    2Pat - A team looking for a developing stretch four may give us most value for 2Pat, whom I like but would trade for superior assets. Sign and trade is possible here for a team looking to plug it's PF position with a cheap alternative for a stretch 4.

    Lowry - His value to the Raptors is more then his value to market, so keeping him for about 10-12M makes a lot of sense.

    Amir - Same with Lowry. Value is higher to the Raptors, so unless another team puts his value at the Raptors value, it's unlikely we'd recieve a fair trade for him.

    Ross - His value is high now, and most teams in the league would have interest. SG ain't such a talent heavy position right now, due to last year's SG injuries, so trading him might not be the worst idea. He's probably the easiest player to trade on the Raptors now.

    DD - Bargain for his value to the team, and unless something we get a player with all-star talent or potential franchise player talent, no point in trading him.

    JV - Centres are rarer then a coach with the same team for more then 4 years, so keep him unless completely blown out of the water, like DD. Gotta shoot for the moon with a guy like JV.

    Looking at this and considering our cap space, 2Pat and Ross are our best trade pieces. It makes sense to trade the others right now since we won't get fair value in maintaining our winning ways, which I think is of most importance right now.

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    Quote Stevo wrote: View Post
    I can't say which teams would be ideal trade partners, but here's my two cents on our roster value:

    Hayes, Novak, Fields - Of next to no value to most teams. We're stuck with them unless we add them in bigger trade for salary purposes. Despite their bloated salary they've been solid citizens, so keeping them is not the end of the world.

    Vasquez - In an already PG talented league, his value is rather low. I'd say keep him for the right price.

    2Pat - A team looking for a developing stretch four may give us most value for 2Pat, whom I like but would trade for superior assets. Sign and trade is possible here for a team looking to plug it's PF position with a cheap alternative for a stretch 4.

    Lowry - His value to the Raptors is more then his value to market, so keeping him for about 10-12M makes a lot of sense.

    Amir - Same with Lowry. Value is higher to the Raptors, so unless another team puts his value at the Raptors value, it's unlikely we'd recieve a fair trade for him.

    Ross - His value is high now, and most teams in the league would have interest. SG ain't such a talent heavy position right now, due to last year's SG injuries, so trading him might not be the worst idea. He's probably the easiest player to trade on the Raptors now.

    DD - Bargain for his value to the team, and unless something we get a player with all-star talent or potential franchise player talent, no point in trading him.

    JV - Centres are rarer then a coach with the same team for more then 4 years, so keep him unless completely blown out of the water, like DD. Gotta shoot for the moon with a guy like JV.

    Looking at this and considering our cap space, 2Pat and Ross are our best trade pieces. It makes sense to trade the others right now since we won't get fair value in maintaining our winning ways, which I think is of most importance right now.
    I think this is quite a reasonable summary and it says what I have been feeling for a while. I think your points about "value to the Raptors versus value to other teams" are an interesting way to position some of the potential trades. There is no doubt in my mind that Amir and DD both have found ways to work with the core players and Casey's system that maximize their on court production. I don't think the same is true for Ross. I can imagine other teams looking at his skill set, recognizing that he isn't being used properly in Toronto, and salivating about plugging him into "their" systems. As for 2Pat, the Raps may find somebody in the draft that can provide his skill set with development, for less money. Several names have been mentioned.

    I agree that 2Pat and Ross could be traded for players that do more to plug holes in the Raps roster, much as I would like to see them both kept. You've got to give to get.

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    A g state trade just came into my head

    Trade 2pat and 37th pick for Harrison Barnes

    Kinda just a ballpark trade.

    Why g state does it: they get their young stretch 4 if kev love trade doesn't happen and they get lpretty much a first round pick in a deep draft. They get rid of Barnes regressed playing behind iggy

    Why Toronto does it: they get a sf with size who they were high on during the draft. Plus they keep ross

    In this trade ross or Barnes would be moved to the bench but you could trade ross for something I don't really know.

    Lowry/Vasquez/un drafted rook
    Derozan/ross/fields
    Barnes/ross/Novak
    Amir/rook/free agent
    Valanciunis/rook/Hayes

    That looks pretty solid
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    A g state trade just came into my head

    Trade 2pat and 37th pick for Harrison Barnes

    Kinda just a ballpark trade.

    Why g state does it: they get their young stretch 4 if kev love trade doesn't happen and they get lpretty much a first round pick in a deep draft. They get rid of Barnes regressed playing behind iggy

    Why Toronto does it: they get a sf with size who they were high on during the draft. Plus they keep ross

    In this trade ross or Barnes would be moved to the bench but you could trade ross for something I don't really know.

    Lowry/Vasquez/un drafted rook
    Derozan/ross/fields
    Barnes/ross/Novak
    Amir/rook/free agent
    Valanciunis/rook/Hayes

    That looks pretty solid
    Trade's not bad. Both sides get a fair deal, with GS selling potential and Raptors buying. GS has a higher probability in staying competitive while Barnes gets a second chance to start.

    We'd need a decent 3rd big man though, since Amir could use a lot of rest this season, so we'd have to sign someone compliment JV, preferably a defensive guy.

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    Than just sign Jordan Hill and trade salmons+ Hansborough for Prince + Memphis 1st , so that Memphis can resign Randolph.

    Rather have Hill and sign Francisco Garcia+Prince +Vasquez + PP- 22 million, better Bench than today. Than you have Novak + Hayes + fields and first round picks- 18.5 million. Starting 5 - KL,DD,TRoss, Amir and JV- 42 million for a total 72.5 million. So it works.

    Next year 19.9 million falls off the books.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    The Raptors are primed to trade with any team looking to create cap space and willing to give up players on rookie contracts and picks to do it.
    Or any team looking to get Melo: Houston, Chicago


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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    The Raptors are primed to trade with any team looking to create cap space and willing to give up players on rookie contracts and picks to do it.
    Chicago - Taj Gibson

    Houston - Chandler Parsons

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