Raptors 2014 Free Agency: non-Raptors thread

[planetmars]

Pistons got Caron Butler for 2 years $10 million and DJ Augustin for 2 years $6 million.

At this point I don't really think it even matters the number associated with these 2 year deals (Jordan Hill $18 million, Vasquez $13) it's so obvious teams are setting themselves up for free agency 2 years from now, or in conjunction with the new TV deal. Even big name players like Lebron and Deng have signed 2 year deals, in addition to Kobe's 2 year deal starting next year.

Jordan Hill technically only has a 1 year contract since his second year is a team option. Hence the $9M/yr price tag.. but yeah the theme of this free agency is short term contracts.

[raptors999]

NBA is going for Temps just like everyone else. Eventually all players will be on 10 day contracts

[Primer]

Jordan Hill technically only has a 1 year contract since his second year is a team option. Hence the $9M/yr price tag.. but yeah the theme of this free agency is short term contracts.

This is telling me the new CBA is working. It might not be forcing down the $'s per year (logically it can't with the salary floor and increasing cap), but it has certainly limited the amount of years being given, which was the major problem with these contracts for mid to low level talent. Hayes 4 year deal is a perfect example of bad contract under the old CBA that isn't being given out this year.

[Raptorsnz]

This is telling me the new CBA is working. It might not be forcing down the $'s per year (logically it can't with the salary floor and increasing cap), but it has certainly limited the amount of years being given, which was the major problem with these contracts for mid to low level talent. Hayes 4 year deal is a perfect example of bad contract under the old CBA that isn't being given out this year.

Yeah, helps protect GMs from giving out bad contracts for the most part and also increases interest for the NBA offseason since there'll virtually always be marquee free agents available every year.

[white men can't jump]

Poor Alan Anderson. How does he end up not getting overpaid? Actually possibly underpaid in this market....Re-signed with Nets for 2 years $3M.

[Mr.Z]

No fan of the Heat or Anderson, but that's a pretty fucked up thing to say about him. Just hope no weirdo tries to fuck your life up like that sick asshole did to him.

What's this all about? Birdman raped somebody?... Or he was raped?

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[octothorp]

What's this all about? Birdman raped somebody?... Or he was raped?

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...catfish-scheme

[Mr.Z]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...catfish-scheme

Wow thats weird as shit, thats some bad fucking luck lol

[stooley]

Yeah, helps protect GMs from giving out bad contracts for the most part and also increases interest for the NBA offseason since there'll virtually always be marquee free agents available every year.

The irony is, with the increasing cap, the right long term contracts are a lot more valuable than they've ever been.

[BobLoblaw]

Thinking more and more that Lebron and Riley's conversation went like:

Lebron: so what's the plans for the team moving forward?
Riley: you mean besides re-signing everyone?
Lebron: ...
Riley: Actually give me a second, I got josh mcroberts agent on the line!

Haha! I think it's not far from reality.

In hindsight, the Heat had small market mentality. They went 6-10 mil into tax. But nothing crazy. They signed a few midlevel players and a few discount veterans. They spent just enough for their owner to avoid uncomfortable questions and getting called a cheap ass.

The Heat spent less than the Cavs did when they had LeBron. Which is pretty crazy since the Cavs are from a much worse market and weren't as close to championships.

Even the Jordan Bulls with their "cheap" owner used to spend. For example, in 1997 the Bulls led the league with 58 mil payroll, while the next team spent 45 mil and 25 teams were under 35 mil.

If Riley and Micky Arison came to LeBron and said "we'll do anything it takes to win championships, we don't have cap space, but we'll trade for Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Eric Gordon, any decent player on a bad contract that we can find," then maybe LeBron would decide differently.

Instead the Heat were scared of repeater tax, so they decided to have flexibility, ask everyone to take paycuts and get Josh McRoberts.

Stay with a cheap declining team or go home to a young talented team that spends like a major market team. An easy choice.

[imanshumpert]

Haha! I think it's not far from reality.

In hindsight, the Heat had small market mentality. They went 6-10 mil into tax. But nothing crazy. They signed a few midlevel players and a few discount veterans. They spent just enough for their owner to avoid uncomfortable questions and getting called a cheap ass.

The Heat spent less than the Cavs did when they had LeBron. Which is pretty crazy since the Cavs are from a much worse market and weren't as close to championships.

Even the Jordan Bulls with their "cheap" owner used to spend. For example, in 1997 the Bulls led the league with 58 mil payroll, while the next team spent 45 mil and 25 teams were under 35 mil.

If Riley and Micky Arison came to LeBron and said "we'll do anything it takes to win championships, we don't have cap space, but we'll trade for Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Eric Gordon, any decent player on a bad contract that we can find," then maybe LeBron would decide differently.

Instead the Heat were scared of repeater tax, so they decided to have flexibility, ask everyone to take paycuts and get Josh McRoberts.

Stay with a cheap declining team or go home to a young talented team that spends like a major market team. An easy choice.

The sad thing is Micky Arison is actually worth more than Gilbert is.

[Apollo]

The Heat spent less because they were able to sell their three stars on taking less to win. Also remember that it takes time to build up salary above the cap and when they formed the big three they could not exceed the cap during that summer.

The Cavs build under LBJ was together longer which gave them more time to increase above cap. They were also paying MORE for LESS talent...

Spending more doesn't usually equate to more value in the NBA unless you're talking top tier stars. Some of these summer deals look bad now, just give it a year or two and they will look worse.

[BobLoblaw]

The Heat spent less because they were able to sell their three stars on taking less to win. Also remember that it takes time to build up salary above the cap and when they formed the big three they could not exceed the cap during that summer.

The Cavs build under LBJ was together longer which gave them more time to increase above cap. They were also paying MORE for LESS talent...

Spending more doesn't usually equate to more value in the NBA unless you're talking top tier stars. Some of these summer deals look bad now, just give it a year or two and they will look worse.

The way I see it, they spent less because they chose to spend less. The big 3 was there either way. They took a paycut to make room for Mike Miller. It was up to the Heat and Micky Arison what to do next. They could've spent a lot and built a great supporting cast over the next few years, or they could've said "hey, we are contending anyway, lets stay on a budget."

And yes, more money does not equate more value generally speaking, but spending helps a lot. I'm sure if Pat Riley had 40 mil to build the supporting cast instead of 20 mil, there would be a difference in talent.

It's not hard to add salary. Just give some scrub with Bird rights a big deal, add picks if necessary, and trade him for Joe Johnson or whoever else is available. Rules aren't a major problem. They could've easily been a high spending team, if they chose to. They chose to surround the big 3 with a skeleton crew. They lucked into Ray Allen and Birdman, a few other decent pieces, but they could've done more if they wanted to.

[Apollo]

The way I see it, they spent less because they chose to spend less. The big 3 was there either way. They took a paycut to make room for Mike Miller. It was up to the Heat and Micky Arison what to do next. They could've spent a lot and built a great supporting cast over the next few years, or they could've said "hey, we are contending anyway, lets stay on a budget."

And yes, more money does not equate more value generally speaking, but spending helps a lot. I'm sure if Pat Riley had 40 mil to build the supporting cast instead of 20 mil, there would be a difference in talent.

It's not hard to add salary. Just give some scrub with Bird rights a big deal, add picks if necessary, and trade him for Joe Johnson or whoever else is available. Rules aren't a major problem. They could've easily been a high spending team, if they chose to. They chose to surround the big 3 with a skeleton crew. They lucked into Ray Allen and Birdman, a few other decent pieces, but they could've done more if they wanted to.

In your vision do you see who they should have signed and for how much? It's easy to toss out the criticism but let's see the supporting information on your stance.

[DanH]

In your vision do you see who they should have signed and for how much? It's easy to toss out the criticism but let's see the supporting information on your stance.

LBJ came out publicly critical of the decision to amnesty Mike Miller - which was CLEARLY an attempt to save money.