Raptors 2014 Free Agency: non-Raptors thread

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Another example would be...PHX has like 19 rookie deals...if they make a splash thats a lot of good to great prospects that will flying out of that pool

[mjt20mik]

The difference is we have Lou Williams now and can bring back De Colo for cheap. GV made such a massive difference because our backups were Buycks/Stone, aka hot garbage. Any real NBA PG could have made a huge difference over that terrible tandem.

I think you are giving Lou way too much credit. He is a Jamal Crawford type player. He is good 1on1, but he cannot initiate the offence unless its an iso play for him.

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Oh okay I get it now. Thanks guys

[Demographic Shift]

NOPE we can't get Harris on the team we already have Hansbrough. We already have two DD's in Demar and Deandre, two TH's would fuck everyone up soooo bad

To funny ... Still if there was any way to get another TH or a Canuck Andrew Nicholson out of Orlando while retaining PP + GV that would be simply awesome. Incredibly unlikely but awesome.

Just think a few days ago we were cutting our collective wrists when we missed out on the 5th PG taken in the draft at the 20 slot.

[GLF]

I think you are giving Lou way too much credit. He is a Jamal Crawford type player. He is good 1on1, but he cannot initiate the offence unless its an iso play for him.

I'm with you. Also if we move Lou to point guard then we need to find a new backup shooting guard and I'm feeling any of the ones available in free agency. I think GV and Williams will be better than any Lou and whoever combo we can find. Unless we make some kind of trade.

[Bonus Jonas]

If our option after GV was Buycks/Stone, then we'd absolutely have to bring him back. As is, with Williams and the possibility of cheaply resigning De Colo, I'm not so worried. GV is a better passer than Lou Will, but he's a worse defender and less efficient shooter. I'd also rather not tie up a bunch of salary in backup PG (8th man most likely).

Less efficient shooter?

Lou Williams over the last 4 seasons has put up FG% of 40.6%, 40.7%, 42.2%, 40.0%.
Greivis over the last 4 seasons?
40.8%, 43.0%, 43.3%, 42.1%.

3 point shooting?
Lou over the last 4 years:
34.8%, 36.2%, 36.7%, 34.2%
Greivis:
29.1%, 31.9%, 34.2%, 37.7%(38.9% I'm Toronto)

Clearly a smarter shooter cuz he's not a chucker and actually drives every now and then and his three pointer has shown improvement every year in the league.

And as for being a worse defender, they're both liabilities on defense. Greivis can at least use his size to slow down defenders.

C'mon man I agree Patman is more important than Gravy but Lou at point is a considerable downgrade from Gravy and we have the money to sign both Gravy and Patman.

And don't get me started on de colo, dude can't shoot at all.

We can and should sign both Greivis and Patrick, and in doing so let Nando walk.

Btw 8th man?? Greivis was clearly our 6th man last year playing minutes down the stretch before Ross at times and Lou is not a better player so expect Greivis to remain our 6th man.

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Last pick vs First pick

[MACK11]

Last pick vs First pick

One was made out to be a Superstar and nobody knows the other

Kyrie is gonna make 18 mill per now and Thomas would be happy to make half that

[OptimalOptimist]

Isiah Thomas is still the best PG available.

[saints91]

I think both should be resigned. 2Pat is worth 6-7 over 4 years, especially with Amir expiring after this year. It's basically the same deal that Amir received and we all scoffed at it when he signed it. It's a good contract for his abilities and his potential.

As for GV, he's a good back up that brings a different style of game to the mix. Lous Williams and him will be able to feed off eachother just as Lowry and GV did last year. Lou Williams is a SG in our line up with some playmaking ability. I think Vasquez should be right around what Darren Collison got. 3/15-16M or 4 at 20M

Core going forward:
DeMar, Lowry, Jonas, Ross, Bruno, 2Pat, GV, Bebe, and possibly Amir. If the Raptors can develop this young team and the future draft picks we should be a good team. Having team chemistry goes a long way.

[GLF]

Less efficient shooter?

Lou Williams over the last 4 seasons has put up FG% of 40.6%, 40.7%, 42.2%, 40.0%.
Greivis over the last 4 seasons?
40.8%, 43.0%, 43.3%, 42.1%.

3 point shooting?
Lou over the last 4 years:
34.8%, 36.2%, 36.7%, 34.2%
Greivis:
29.1%, 31.9%, 34.2%, 37.7%(38.9% I'm Toronto)

Clearly a smarter shooter cuz he's not a chucker and actually drives every now and then and his three pointer has shown improvement every year in the league.

And as for being a worse defender, they're both liabilities on defense. Greivis can at least use his size to slow down defenders.

C'mon man I agree Patman is more important than Gravy but Lou at point is a considerable downgrade from Gravy and we have the money to sign both Gravy and Patman.

And don't get me started on de colo, dude can't shoot at all.

We can and should sign both Greivis and Patrick, and in doing so let Nando walk.

Btw 8th man?? Greivis was clearly our 6th man last year playing minutes down the stretch before Ross at times and Lou is not a better player so expect Greivis to remain our 6th man.

Thank you! Both NEED to be resigned. Period. I would sacrifice Nando and even the full MLE just to bring them both back. Because I'm not feeling any of the backup Small Forwards or Shooting Guards that we can realistically get in free agency anyway

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One was made out to be a Superstar and nobody knows the other

Kyrie is gonna make 18 mill per now and Thomas would be happy to make half that

One is 6'2, the other is 5'9.

That's a BIG difference.

[Letter N]

...we have the money to sign both Gravy and Patman.

That's the problem, I don't think we do.

[GLF]

I think both should be resigned. 2Pat is worth 6-7 over 4 years, especially with Amir expiring after this year. It's basically the same deal that Amir received and we all scoffed at it when he signed it. It's a good contract for his abilities and his potential.

As for GV, he's a good back up that brings a different style of game to the mix. Lous Williams and him will be able to feed off eachother just as Lowry and GV did last year. Lou Williams is a SG in our line up with some playmaking ability. I think Vasquez should be right around what Darren Collison got. 3/15-16M or 4 at 20M

Core going forward:
DeMar, Lowry, Jonas, Ross, Bruno, 2Pat, GV, Bebe, and possibly Amir. If the Raptors can develop this young team and the future draft picks we should be a good team. Having team chemistry goes a long way.

Exactly!

[GLF]

That's the problem, I don't think we do.

Well they need to find a way