Argentina had Scola, Ginobli, Prigioni, and Delfino.
Russia had Kirilenko, Mozgov, and Shved.
Kirilenko was certainly an NBA starter in 2012.
Good finds though. Easy to see how Canada's squad will quickly surpass those clubs talent wise. The real surge should come from Wiggins, Stauskas, and Ennis though. So 2016 will be mighty interesting if all the Canadians are on board.
Which is why I worry that NBA talent alone may not be enough to elevate Canada above some of the Euro clubs. We saw how much Nicholson - who at the FIBA Americas, could have often been the most dominant player on the court - struggle with adapting to the rules and the style of play. We may have the same weaknesses as the US, (unfamiliarity with international rules and style of play, a more gruelling regular season), without their excellent participation rates, sheer talent differential, and coaching. We have little control over the talent differential; we might get to the point of having more talent than most Euro teams, but we'll never have near the sort of advantage that the US has. Which is why the program-related stuff (coaching, participation, preparation) will be crucial.
Think we medal in the 2020 O's. We'll have Lyles and a bunch of other NBA guys by that point.
Nothing but rumours for now but if Wiggins goes to Minny, that will be too bad for the Canada Basketball training camp we would have run all season in Cleveland. On the plus side, start the clock ticking to the Raptor Wiggins.
It's not just about Lowry...It's about the 3 spot.
Would you guys trade DeRozan straight up for Wiggins?
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DD for Stauskas + stuff would be realistic
An ALL STAR for draft picks? On a good contract? Straight? You guys are insane!
Also, you think that trade would set the team back UNLESS you trade Lowry, 2PAt, Vasquez...how many years must I type the exact same things on this site? Team stability, experience and team success are all connected.
Look at the last 3 champions... SA, Miami, and Dallas. They all have vets, and had very little turnover when they won those titles. This past championships was between the 2 oldest teams in the league.
Vets with playoff experience win championships. If you can put together the Heat and have superstars that's awesome. But if you can't, the only other option is to get young talent, help them grow, retain them, get playoff experience and add bits and pieces to get over the last hurdle.
History has shown that their are only so many ways to win titles -- trading young, established talent, for rookies is not one of those ways. That's a great way to get on a treadmill to mediocrity, or rebuild. You NEVER trade one of your top 2 players for a rookie.
PLUS this is a DeMar thread not a ridiculous trade idea thread.
And I said if we were to trade for Wiggins, why keep those guys who will be in their primes without an all star like DeRozan to help them get further in the playoffs? You think Wiggins is gonna lead them to the promise land at 20 or 21? No
IF we traded DD for Wiggins, then why would we keep a 25 year old Patterson, 27 year old Vasquez, 28 year old Lowry, 26 year old Amir and waste the years of their prime where we would get no where instead of trading them for picks, young players, and rebuild with Wiggins, Ross, Bruno, Bebe, JV, and those young players/picks acquired by the trades?
I asked if we would trade Wiggins (Canadian basketball player who has to do with this thread) for DeRozan straight up. That doesn't mean I'm saying Cavs would accept, I'm just playing the game of 'who would you rather have'.
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On a side note, nice to see the expanded coverage of summer league and international ball. 5-10 years ago you couldn't see a lot of this stuff. Tip of the hat to NBATV Canada and the Cable Sports Channels
Also, I disagree that Andrew is a better prospect than DeMar was. Does he have more hype? More potential? Sure. But DeMar did more for USC than Wiggins did for Kansas.
Do I think Wiggins will become a better player than DeMar? Yes. But you don't build a team with excellent personal chemistry, create a culture, start winning, and then trade your best player. That would kill a locker room. It would set back the team by years.
The best thing for basketball in Canada is a Toronto Raptors that is consistently in the playoffs, that at some point has a legit shot at a title, and changes the media landscape of how basketball is reported. I don't care where the players are from.
Do I want Wiggins to one day wear a Raptors uniform? Yes. But not at the expense of destroying what is being built here.
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