Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
Hope you're wrong.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/16...in-crunch-timeThe Raptors were a very good fourth-quarter team a year ago, outscoring opponents by 195 points in that final frame, easily the biggest edge they had in any quarter. But when it came to close games, the Raptors were vulnerable. In game decided by five points or less the Raptors were 7-14. In games decided by three or less they were 3-8. In seven overtime games, the Raptors managed just one win against six losses.
Those are horrible numbers for a team that won 48 games (and outpaced that post-trade). They did some good things late in games (especially defensively), but were an awful offensive team, and clearly had issues finding ways to win tight games.
*It's definitely hard to tell what impact exactly the juggling of vets vs. kids had on this, but watching enough games there were more than a few situations where the vet clearly failed in exactly the role Casey trusted him to fill because he's a vet. This can be more a problem of actual talent available, or just a coach not doing good enough with the xs and os to make things easy (or players really failing miserably to execute a decent plan). However it was certainly extremely frustrating having to watch a vet fail way too many times while a youngster gets far fewer chances.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 06:53 PM.
Not at all. No straw men present. That terminology is simply my summarization and characterization of the oft repeated rhetoric surrounding Casey's handling of the kids. Some of the "opinions" has been repeated so often, even as certainty, by various posters that it has become reality to some.
However, you do provide some fine examples of what I speak. I would venture to say you speak to an awful lot of certainty of subjects you know nothing about: coach's short-term vs long-term priorities, devaluing young players under contract (yeah, while starting the only 2 sophs starting in the playoffs), young players' confidence and psyche (who you know from TV and he deals with in person every day).
Hey, if that's what turns your crank, carry on, but it is a public forum and you may encounter the odd poster that will question your declarations, based on your scant information and expertise that you seem to think is far greater than reality.
The way this list looks would seem to support more the "talent helps you win" angle over "vets help you win".
In case the link fails or anyone's just plain lazy, the basic +/- ranking in clutch for the Raps:
Last edited by white men can't jump; Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 07:35 PM.
You guys have to think of what Casey holds players accountable for. If I had to guess its D. If that's the case than him playing his vets over the young guys is fair.
Casey dropped Salmons minutes every month.
Dec. - 26.5 min
Jan. - 23 min
Feb. - 22 min
March - 17.4 min
April - 18.7 min
Playoffs - 12.8 min
NBA coaches, and their teams of coaches, are looking at a lot more than stats that don't measure well. Maybe they even have specific methods/techniques, within a team defensive system, that players need to comply with, else they fk up the other four players learning the system. I don't know. Just a suggestion about 1 thing that we all no fk all about, rendering much fan certainty, that we're discussing, ill-informed .........
Casey is screwing up the confidence and development of the kids, haha. And SVG is a fool too, hey.
If you don't keep the younger player on a short leash, how do they know they fucked up. Sure you could tell them after, but what's their incentive if they know they'll just continue getting playing time even if they keep fucking up.
This is where a players mentality comes in, if they are always striving to be the best and always working hard, you leave them in there to learn (demar) but if they seem to just not care, they need to get pulled or they learn bad habits and are just utter shit. (Bargnani) if bargs was pulled out whenever he did that stupid pump drive get injured thing, he would stop doing it and learn from it. Instead he was left out there and continued doing, look where he at now.
I have no problem with how Casey handled ross and Jv. Jv seemed immature and needed the constant pull so he'd stop getting frustrated. Ross seemed really chill and laid back about everything, made since to make him earn his playing time.
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I feel like DeMar would be a better player right now if he had a shorter leash during his 2nd-4th years when it came to making defensive mistakes or even for taking ill-advised shots.
That's where it gets trickiest. It's one thing to punish for mistakes...but then shouldn't you also reward success? And getting back to the vet thing, why would you ever play an ineffective vet over a youngster playing well? Is that teaching anybody anything?
After not saying anything personal or insulting at all in this discussion, I wasn't using offensive labels like "arrogance" to anyone here, but if you're turning the discussion in that direction, I'd suggest that it might be a tad more arrogant to assume you know near enough to critique coach's player development actions as foolish, than it is for me to suggest you know next to sfa, just like me.
As far as your "condescending" complaint, I'd like to say I'm sorry if a minor bit of snark, used as colour when the point wasn't being addressed otherwise, hurt your sensibilities, but I really don't think I said anything particularly offensive to anyone, unless someone takes offense at being told they don't know what they don't know.
btw, if you don't respect Casey's approach, what little you actually know of it, do you respect what SVG said, about player development, in that vid posted earlier? Is he wrong too? Because what I'm questioning here is the exact stuff that he says is poppcock. I happen to agree with his philosphy toward player development, which seems to fall in line with Casey's. Of course that's in general terms, as I know sfa about how he actually implements it on a daily basis. I accept that and try to move on to analyzing stuff I have some knowledge of. (like ill informed posts I find on here, haha. sick humour, sorry)
So much to like with this conversation. Especially the SVG video Mix posted. That should be required watching of anyone who wants to write, coach, play basketball...
We have no clue about practices so my guess is that has to also be a part of figuring out how much to play a young player as part of their development?
There's a lot to dislike about Casey's coaching, but I feel confident in the way he develops players. Every player the Raps have drafted since he's been head coach is still in the league -- VERY small window, but the Raps coaches have not exactly had the greatest record with that sort of thing. I know there's a lot of holes in my argument, but, his moves make sense. When he benches a young player, you can go back and see what the player was doing wrong most of the time.
Most importantly, I like where Ross, Val, and to a lesser extent Quincy Acy are as players -- they know their roles and they're all solid pros who should last in the league barring injury.
Casey's issues are not in development, they're in calling plays after timeouts. Too many isolations. The same out of bounds plays, again and again. When in doubt, Casey regresses to high school plays. He needs to do a better job stealing plays from other teams, past coaches, etc. If he had a wider variance of plays coming out of timeouts, maybe the Raps would win more close games. I don't think it has anything to do with clutch, and everything to do with a lack of variety in sets coming out of timeouts.
we need to forget about KD thing.
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