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    Quote OptimalOptimist wrote: View Post
    Need some DanH in here.

    Could we waive Fields this year and sign Daniels?
    Sure. We could use the stretch provision and clear 4M off the cap, but that mucks up the cap (2M in dead weight) for the next 2 years after this one.

    But we could also NOT use the stretch provision. Simple waive, keep his cap hit on the books. Then sign Daniels.

    Here's the tricky bit. Currently, we sit about $700k clear of the tax line. Any player signed to a minimum salary, unfortunately, counts as a 2-year veteran for tax purposes. For example, Cherry is signed for 500k, but counts as 900k for tax purposes.

    Same goes for Daniels if we sign him to a minimum deal. That 900k (he'd make 500k, like Cherry, but count as 900k) would put us over the tax by 200k - which is an undesirable negotiating position to be in when you have to dump salary later in the season - could cost us a 2nd rounder or worse. That 200k doesn't just cost you 200k in taxes. It also costs you the revenue sharing that non-tax teams get (usually about $3M), and starts the clock on the repeater tax down the line. Better to avoid it if at all possible.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    Sure. We could use the stretch provision and clear 4M off the cap, but that mucks up the cap (2M in dead weight) for the next 2 years after this one.

    But we could also NOT use the stretch provision. Simple waive, keep his cap hit on the books. Then sign Daniels.

    Here's the tricky bit. Currently, we sit about $700k clear of the tax line. Any player signed to a minimum salary, unfortunately, counts as a 2-year veteran for tax purposes. For example, Cherry is signed for 500k, but counts as 900k for tax purposes.

    Same goes for Daniels if we sign him to a minimum deal. That 900k (he'd make 500k, like Cherry, but count as 900k) would put us over the tax by 200k - which is an undesirable negotiating position to be in when you have to dump salary later in the season - could cost us a 2nd rounder or worse. That 200k doesn't just cost you 200k in taxes. It also costs you the revenue sharing that non-tax teams get (usually about $3M), and starts the clock on the repeater tax down the line. Better to avoid it if at all possible.
    Translation: find a new home for Landry.

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    yeah...I rather have DD jr. on a team then Fields. I guess that's no brainer lool

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    Quote godkingleonidas wrote: View Post
    Translation: find a new home for Landry.
    Then people would bitch about how we gave up a future 1st rounder to save money.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    ...That 200k doesn't just cost you 200k in taxes. It also costs you the revenue sharing that non-tax teams get (usually about $3M), and starts the clock on the repeater tax down the line. Better to avoid it if at all possible.
    I forgot about this part. Thanks for the reminder.

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    Also to free up a roster spot. It would also depend on the projected strength of that draft class. If you're giving up a 21 - 30 pick which is part of a weak draft, you've given up nothing really.

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    Three rookies and a D Leaguer is a lot for a coach to deal with. Better they park Daniels for a year overseas or in D League until they have room for him.

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    We need Fields. He has more vet leadership then DaD.
    The name's Bond, James Bond.

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    Quote Katman wrote: View Post
    Three rookies and a D Leaguer is a lot for a coach to deal with.
    This is a good point. Not to mention Ross, JV, 2Pat and DD are all still learning.
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    Any word on where Daniels will be playing next year?

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    Quote Mr.Z wrote: View Post
    Any word on where Daniels will be playing next year?

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    Overseas, almost definitely. No word on what team/league.

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    Its going to be interesting tracking his development if he's playing euro ball

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    Here is an interesting writeup on Erick Green who was drafted by Denver (probably by Masai) and spent time in Italy and just signed by the Nuggets. Maybe a rerun with DeAndre?

    http://www.denverstiffs.com/2014/7/2...-time-in-italy

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    Toronto apparently cannot receive revenue sharing money. Our market is too big. Same with Philly. The rapture and the Sixers were the only teams last year to not pay into or receive revenue sharing - according to lowe
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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Here is an interesting writeup on Erick Green who was drafted by Denver (probably by Masai) and spent time in Italy and just signed by the Nuggets. Maybe a rerun with DeAndre?

    http://www.denverstiffs.com/2014/7/2...-time-in-italy
    After a quick google search, he was drafted in 2013, meaning he wasn't masais guy. 2013 was the year Masai joined the raptors. He might of had a say before he left though.
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    After a quick google search, he was drafted in 2013, meaning he wasn't masais guy. 2013 was the year Masai joined the raptors. He might of had a say before he left though.
    You are right about MU's move to TO timeline...actually Green was drafted by Utah and traded to Denver draft night..I was a tad lazy when I wrote my post. And yes we dont know how much of MU's input went into the acquisition of Green before he left. Anyway, it's the stash option that he is obviously familiar with and its a good idea for DD to go and experience if its a team he gets to play minutes in.

    ps...Siena is a nice area to visit in Tuscany (I was there a few years ago on holiday)...the Chianti is great

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    .the Chianti is great
    with liver and fava beans?
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    Quote OptimalOptimist wrote: View Post
    Need some DanH in here.

    Could we waive Fields this year and sign Daniels?

    (Assuming Nogueira is signed)
    It'd be cheaper to put a hit on him.

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    Daniels is nowhere to be found. Is this picture for 1st rounders only?

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    Quote godkingleonidas wrote: View Post


    Daniels is nowhere to be found. Is this picture for 1st rounders only?
    Definitely not just 1st rounders. There's at least two Brooklyn players in the picture, and I think Brooklyn ended up with 44, 59 an 60.

    Could have something to do with Daniels not actually being on an NBA contract yet.
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