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    Klay Thompson
    Nicholas Batum
    Lance Stephensons

    I am scared of Lance...he seems to be not quite "right"...but what is it they say about very gifted savants. And he knows it. I would target him now (with his current contract impasse) and let MU work on his psyche cause his physical talents are undeniable probably as close a package as there is to LBJ.

    The first 2 can bust out fully in the right situation but their current teams already know this I think so will be difficult gets.

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    Quote The_Warlord wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure a lot of these points are fair. He has a bad rep and is coming off a poor season, but the opportunity to acquire him for basically nothing is only there because

    a) he doesn't fit into his current team and the new GM can move him for peanuts without having egg on his face
    b) he has a bad reputation so people immediately dismiss the idea but so did Kyle Lowry

    As per your points:
    -Work ethic doesn't seem to be the issue, just that he's been known to be a headcase in the past
    -Is a good passer and one of the best weak-side defenders in the league, sounds team oriented to me
    -Could realistically average 16 pts 9 rb 4 ast 2 blks 1.5 stls.. how much is that worth?
    -Out of the box thinking but if anyone would do it maybe it would be Masai the Warlord. More realistically re-structure contract so he gets a bonus for attempting less than 82 3's a season?
    You can't restructure contracts in the NBA.

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    At least Rudy Gay was able to hit the three at above 30% consistently, and remember how pissed off we got at his chuckage? I feel terrible that Sacramento fans had to endure that disgusting onslaught of 26% 3-pointers, 3.6 times a game from Josh Smith..
    The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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    Josh Smith? Please!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! He's an uncontrolled chucker that went to Detroit because they assured him he'd play the 3, where he tried to force his way into in Atlanta for so long, and coaches pulled their hair out for so long trying to get him under control and stop playing the 4 like he's a 3 that can actually shoot. No way in this lifetime does Masai look at him for this team.

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    Waiters or Harkless both will be buried this season.

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    Quote raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Waiters or Harkless both will be buried this season.
    Something is going to have to give in Orlando.

    Payton is obviously PG of future.
    Oladipo at SG with Willie Green, Ben Gordon, Fournier.

    Harkless is only true SF

    Harris is a SF/PF.
    Gordon, as of now, is a SF/PF.


    The wing situation is definitely up in the air.

    I've made no secret of my affinity for Harkless. I'm not sure he is a definite starter going forward but he is just 21 and already a good defensive player and managed to hit 38% of his 3s last year. I'd be ecstatic with him as part of the core.
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    I think we should look at this scenario a bit more down the road. One of the possibility is Andrew Wiggins!
    theres so many IFs in this situation but they are all realistic.

    First off, Wiggins develops in the next 3 years to become a star player in the mold of "pre-max extension Paul George".

    Second of all, Hope the reported Max offer to Hayward by the Cavs is true and he ends up signing with them.

    Third, Cavs stick with either Triston or Dion and offer an extension to one of them next year in the 8-10mil range~ (very possible)

    in hopes of making playff runs, hope they go over the cap and spend to retain/acquire role players the next two years (very possible)

    3 years down the road, they'll have Wiggins asking for max offer. Boom! Cavs can no longer stomach that tax burden of repeater tax. Ends up shopping him just like OKC did with Harden.

    And Warlord goes to work.

    The End.

    FML i feel like a Knicks fan. but hey atleast im being logically delusional.

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    Would we have more profitable not trading for Harden, or accepting the JV deal for him?

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    Most of the names listed so far aren't really under the radar.
    -Leonard just won FMVP.
    -Batum is part of the Blazers core and already getting paid a healthy eight figures.
    -Klay isn't being traded for Love, so GS probably isn't dealing.

    Also
    -Waiters and Lance have garbage attitudes
    -Harkless and MKG are really flawed, but MKG could come cheap I think

    Tobias Harris would be my pick. A Magic poster said the Magic see Gordon as a SF long term, so Harris might be available. Love his game too. This season he was hampered by injury early on, but I think before long he'll blow up.

    Terrence Jones strikes me as a high upside guy who might be available, what with Houston's cutthroat pursuit of established stars

    Might take a flyer on Harrison Barnes if he came cheap enough.

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    Vasquez is basically a less athletic Harden

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    Harrison Barnes would be perfect I think.

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    I'm still confused by the love Harrison Barnes gets. What is he actually good at? He's inefficient, not particularly good on defense or on the glass, can't really create his own basket, not a good playmaker...

    EDIT: If we can get Barnes for next to nothing to try him out? Sure, why not. But I'm sure as hell not trading Amir for him (which GS would laugh at us and then accept if they could) or anyone of value.
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    Quote imanshumpert wrote: View Post
    I'm still confused by the love Harrison Barnes gets. What is he actually good at? He's inefficient, not particularly good on defense or on the glass, can't really create his own basket, not a good playmaker...

    EDIT: If we can get Barnes for next to nothing to try him out? Sure, why not. But I'm sure as hell not trading Amir for him (which GS would laugh at us and then accept if they could) or anyone of value.
    They just turned down Afflalo plus a pick for Barnes.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Vasquez is basically a less athletic Harden
    you forget talented too
    @jerboat

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    I would love to see Kevin Love on our team. If we somehow can make it to the Conference Finals, and we are 3rd or above in the East, I would imagine he would give us a good look. I think with two successful seasons under our belts we should be able to lour some good FAs here. Our team is so young and has such good potential, it's hard not to give us a second though.

    Another player that I like down the road is Derrick Favours. He'll be 23 when he starts this season (which matches our youth), and has 4 years left on his contract. If we could swing a trade for him or sign him when he is 27, he could be a great addition to this core.

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    Been going through other rosters, and this is what I've pulled up. I've only put down 3's and 4's here, as they're our most glaring weaknesses.

    Criteria:
    -is under 25
    -plays relatively well
    -has potential
    -was not drafted in 2014
    -played at the 4 or 3 over 50% of the time, according to b-ref for at least a year in their career

    3's:
    Sergei Karasev
    Kyle Singler
    Jimmy Butler
    Paul George
    Giannis Antetokounmpo
    Khris Middleton
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    Michael Beasley (criteria fits)
    Moe Harkless
    Otto Porter
    Jae Crowder
    Al-Farouq Aminu
    Darius Miller
    Kawhi Leonard
    Danilo Galinari
    Quincy Miller
    Nicolas Batum
    Kevin Durant (heyo)
    Gordon Hayward
    Harrison Barnes
    Draymond Green
    Reggie Bullock
    Derrick Williams
    Chandler Parsons

    4's:
    Kelly Olynyk
    Jared Sullinger (let's get this straight, he's a 4, not a 5)
    Arnett Moutrie
    Tristan Thompson
    Anthony Bennett
    Greg Monroe
    John Henson (a 4 by nature)
    Tobias Harris
    Andrew Nicholson
    DeJuan Blair
    Terrence Jones
    Donatas Motiejuanas
    Anthony Davis (heyo)
    Kenneth Faried
    JJ Hickson
    Thomas Robinson
    Perry Jones
    Serge Ibaka
    Derrick Favors
    Blake Griffin (heyo)
    Markieff Morris
    Marcus Morris
    Quincy Acy

    So, who you like? (other than the obvious currently unattainable superstars)

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