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Thread: Hindsight Time: Should we have tanked?

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    Default Hindsight Time: Should we have tanked?

    So with Vasquez likely to be locked up soon and all our core guys returning, it begs the question. Should we have traded away Lowry to the Knicks for Shump/2018 1st/whatever that Knicks offer was, and then looked to move DeRozan and maybe Amir as well to get the tank rolling?

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    NOPE. I called for a season of growing chemistry and culture and reputation. We have done all of that and are now starting a trend of FA's wanting to STAY. This is the best thing the franchise could've done, and we are way closer to a championship right now then we would've been if we had Tanked

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    Obviously in hindsight no we shouldn't have tanked.

    HOWEVER

    Going back in time...It was a completely valid position to hold. I completely understand why I, and many others supported the idea.

    ALSO

    I'm okay with being wrong so long as my reasoning was sound in the first place
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    No, life is too short for tanking.

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    Btw there's no bias in this thread. I've always been a fence-sitter on this issue. Tanking and not tanking were both viable paths to success in my opinion.

    I think Ujiri would've made the best of either situation tbh.

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    It was too late to sell assets for less than they're worth, and clearly that's what MU felt the offers he was getting for Lowry would've been. To compete with the tank-a-thons going on around the league we would've had to bottom out hard after the Gay trade. And to "tank" with the way we played, Masai would've had to get great deals for Kyle, Amir and DeMar.

    The Raps are in good shape as things stand. Even with guys coming back, we don't have any really terrible contracts on our roster (the worst ones are Fields and Hayes and they're both expiring), and we're building up a young asset base. So basically we have moveable contracts and a growing crop of young pieces. This should make it easy enough to course correct. Even if that correction is just trying to create more cap space.

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    no...tanking means no Lowry, no playoffs, no fuck brooklyn, no WetheNorth, no Jurassic Park, no franchise record 48 win season, no progress...we are in such a good position I don't understand how/why tanking is so huge to raps fans...lets break way from this loser mentality and enjoy being a winning team for a change!

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    LOOOOOOLLLL, some people can not get over the past !!! Tank or no Tank !!! We are passed that. It is done !! Deal with it and move on ... Who cares !!!

    Be happy

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    Obviously, no.

    It is a good question to ask again next year.

    If Lowry comes back fat....... ugh.


    It is like Masai has said: he didn't plan for this, it just happened. You can't plan for chemistry and this team found it as unlikely as it was to be.
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    Can't truthfully answer the question until we see how much of an impact guys like Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Randle, Smart, (Bruno) etc. have on the teams that drafted them.
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    It was valid. Just didn't seem viable.

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    It was valid. Just didn't seem viable.
    At 6-12 it was extremely viable. Lol
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    At 6-12 it was extremely viable. Lol
    That's a 27 win season. Coin flip with LA for Randle. Doesn't seem worth it.

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    That's a 27 win season. Coin flip with LA for Randle. Doesn't seem worth it.
    that was a 27 win season if we didn't blow it up...

    blow it up and who knows to what level we could have sucked

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    Quote Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    That's a 27 win season. Coin flip with LA for Randle. Doesn't seem worth it.
    But that was with Rudy, Demar, Kyle, etc. Trade all those guys and we would have been scraping the bottom of the barrel for sure.

    Sixers started 6-8 and had the second most ping pong balls in the league.

    For now, things are roses but if we faceplant this coming season and the draft class goes wild I'm sure this will be a question we revisit ad nauseam.

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    Even if we could manage to lose near as much as Philly or the Bucks, Cleveland still got the prize.

    Who knows what picks we get back for Amir DD and KLOE but if it wasn't Cleveland's it was a waste.

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    This is so yes.

    The only difference is we'd have had a much better draft pick and no Lowry.
    The raps are no closer to winning the east. As far as I can see they have the same team coming back next year at a higher price.
    They finished 3rd last year in the east where half the teams were trying to lose every game they could and the other half were missing all stars most of the year. Not to mention that they had no major injuries the entire year and DeRozan had the best year of his career and Lowry had the only decent year of his career.
    Even IF Lowry can keep playing at this level, which is highly unlikely, DeRozan has to keep playing at an all star level and the raps have to hope they have a healthy team all next year to match last years performance, and that still wouldn't get them 3rd if you disregard every other team will be better next year.

    As for the other teams in the East next year?
    Brooklyn gets back Brook Lopez an all star, Atlanta gets back Al Horford an all star, Chicago gets back Derrick Rose an all star and MVP and Doug McDermott and possibly Melo or Gasol, Charlotte gets Al Jefferson for the whole year, Noah Vonleh and possibly Lance Stephenson, Toronto isn't beating Miami, Washington or Indiana anytime soon. All the east teams that missed the playoffs except Detroit have at least 1 top 10 prospect from one of the deepest drafts in nba history. Cleveland gets Andrew Wiggins. Milwaukee added Jabari Parker. Orlando gets Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Boston added Marcus Smart. The following year is even worse when Philadelphia gets another top lottery pick, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, a healthy Joel Embiid.

    Toronto is likely fighting to stay out of the lottery. Sorry.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    that was a 27 win season if we didn't blow it up...

    blow it up and who knows to what level we could have sucked
    I don't know man. Philly started James Anderson, a guy who had averaged about three and half points and 1 and a half rebounds in 11 minutes per game for 62 games, traded away their all-star PG, made sure their prospect center didn't play, traded their starting center and starting SF and made sure the only good player from that deal got bought out, started Tony Wroten for 16 games, took a guy who averaged 8/4 in the D-League and started him 41 games, and only got the third pick.
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    So is guess stupidity is like myopia for hindsight.

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    Quote Wiggins wrote: View Post
    This is so yes.

    The only difference is we'd have had a much better draft pick and no Lowry.
    The raps are no closer to winning the east. As far as I can see they have the same team coming back next year at a higher price.
    They finished 3rd last year in the east where half the teams were trying to lose every game they could and the other half were missing all stars most of the year. Not to mention that they had no major injuries the entire year and DeRozan had the best year of his career and Lowry had the only decent year of his career.
    Even IF Lowry can keep playing at this level, which is highly unlikely, DeRozan has to keep playing at an all star level and the raps have to hope they have a healthy team all next year to match last years performance, and that still wouldn't get them 3rd if you disregard every other team will be better next year.

    As for the other teams in the East next year?
    Brooklyn gets back Brook Lopez an all star, Atlanta gets back Al Horford an all star, Chicago gets back Derrick Rose an all star and MVP and Doug McDermott and possibly Melo or Gasol, Charlotte gets Al Jefferson for the whole year, Noah Vonleh and possibly Lance Stephenson, Toronto isn't beating Miami, Washington or Indiana anytime soon. All the east teams that missed the playoffs except Detroit have at least 1 top 10 prospect from one of the deepest drafts in nba history. Cleveland gets Andrew Wiggins. Milwaukee added Jabari Parker. Orlando gets Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Boston added Marcus Smart. The following year is even worse when Philadelphia gets another top lottery pick, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, a healthy Joel Embiid.

    Toronto is likely fighting to stay out of the lottery. Sorry.
    Brooklyn was worse with Lopez in the lineup, and is gonna be without Kidd, Pierce, and Livingston. We don't know what Rose is going to be yet- he's been gone for two years, and Gasol is more likely to go to Spurs/Thunder. We're still better than Charlotte. We definitely can beat Washington. And if you're going based on intriguing prospects for non-playoff teams in the east- Shouldn't nabbing Bruno and Bebe, two athletic freaks, count as prospects for us? Shouldn't JV and Ross improving count for something?
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