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    Default Vs Elite/Playoff teams with and w/out DD

    Vs Elite/Playoff teams

    With DD

    W-Atlanta
    W-Phoenix
    W-Memphis
    W-Cleveland
    W-Atlanta
    W- Washington
    W-Milwaukee
    L-Chicago

    7-1

    Vs playoff teams
    W- Clippers
    L-Golden State
    L-Portland
    L-Chicago
    L-Cleveland
    L-Cleveland
    L-Phoenix

    1-6


    I know some of you will say some teams where HOT and some where missing a certain player but still pretty impressive if you ask me

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    So many asterisk's required here ... LOL

    This is really interesting actually. Nice sleuthing Abbas!

    Still not sure how people can say that having Demar wouldn't have made a difference in the games which we lost.
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    That's crazy. Someone's gonna find some excuse to make for why we lost though, because supposedly Demar means nothing to this team to some.

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    That's crazy. Someone's gonna find some excuse to make for why we lost though, because supposedly Demar means nothing to this team to some.
    This is just silliness.

    Anyone who says DeRozan means nothing to the team is, well, wrong.

    However the listing of games in above manner is simplistic at best.

    Teams play better at different times of the year.
    Raps have been found out - as evidenced by Lowe's piece.
    In with demar games 6 were at home.
    In without 6 were on the road.

    The most important piece of information is the chicago games. Raps are effed with or without vs Bulls.
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    Huge DeRozan fan, but definite asterisks all around. Atlanta wasn't quite the Hawks we see now yet, in either of those games. Memphis lost a bunch of key players to the flu. All the wins with DeMar except for one of the Atlanta games and the Cavs game were at home, whereas all the losses without him except for the one Cleveland game were on the road, including that Phoenix one where the team was clearly just gassed.

    But yes, I think with DeMar they would have won at least the Portland game and the second Cleveland game, so he certainly makes a difference. If he's fully healthy, they will be a better team with him back.

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    Quote Abbas wrote: View Post
    Vs Elite/Playoff teams

    With DD

    W-Atlanta
    W-Phoenix
    W-Memphis
    W-Cleveland
    W-Atlanta
    W- Washington
    W-Milwaukee
    L-Chicago

    7-1

    Vs playoff teams
    W- Clippers
    L-Golden State
    L-Portland
    L-Chicago
    L-Cleveland
    L-Cleveland
    L-Phoenix

    1-6


    I know some of you will say some teams where HOT and some where missing a certain player but still pretty impressive if you ask me

    #GetWellSoon #ProveEm #Klyelowry#NBABALLOT
    seriously, WAY too many asterisks needed here. we'd all like demar back, but to say the atlanta prior to thanksgiving is the same atlanta post-thanksgiving would be dumb. same with cleveland when EVERYONE was beating them early in the year. and memphis with like 100 players missing. also where do you place the loss to dallas where he played for most of the game? (and shot something like 1/8)

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    This is just silliness.

    Anyone who says DeRozan means nothing to the team is, well, wrong.

    However the listing of games in above manner is simplistic at best.

    Teams play better at different times of the year.
    Raps have been found out - as evidenced by Lowe's piece.
    In with demar games 6 were at home.
    In without 6 were on the road.

    The most important piece of information is the chicago games. Raps are effed with or without vs Bulls.
    Great bigs + great coach = toast dinos
    I don't know about that. I think this team can beat Chicago. It was just one awful quarter in each game that toasted them. Also, I feel like both games they got the best possible version of a very inconsistent Bulls team. Do I think the Raptors win a 7 game series against the Bulls? No. Do I think they force it to at least 6 with DeRozan? Yeah, I do.

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    I think the Raptors D matches up well against Atlanta's O, actually. Atlanta needs to move the ball - a lot, and the Rap's size, length, and guards jumping the passing lanes really disrupt what the Hawks like to do.

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    Quote Other Scott wrote: View Post
    I don't know about that. I think this team can beat Chicago. It was just one awful quarter in each game that toasted them. Also, I feel like both games they got the best possible version of a very inconsistent Bulls team. Do I think the Raptors win a 7 game series against the Bulls? No. Do I think they force it to at least 6 with DeRozan? Yeah, I do.
    I made no mention of what effed meant other than losing.

    If you lose in 7 or 6 or 5 or 4, the end result is the same and your post is semantics.

    The bulls are probably worst possible match up for Raps in east.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    I made no mention of what effed meant other than losing.

    If you lose in 7 or 6 or 5 or 4, the end result is the same and your post is semantics.

    The bulls are probably worst possible match up for Raps in east.
    That's fine. I wasn't sure whether you meant the playoffs, or just effed when they played them in general.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    I think the Raptors D matches up well against Atlanta's O, actually. Atlanta needs to move the ball - a lot, and the Rap's size, length, and guards jumping the passing lanes really disrupt what the Hawks like to do.
    Which is what makes a Hawks-Raptors ECF more fun for us! Its gonna happen....

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    we'd all like demar back, but to say the atlanta prior to thanksgiving is the same atlanta post-thanksgiving would be dumb.
    Why? They ARE the same Atlanta...

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    same with cleveland when EVERYONE was beating them early in the year.
    EVERYONE? If thats the case, then everyone is still beating them ...

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    and memphis with like 100 players missing. also where do you place the loss to dallas where he played for most of the game? (and shot something like 1/8)
    100 Players? Man, easy on the hyperbole. LOL
    Agreed about the Dallas game, so we're 7-2 with DD against Playoff Teams... I'll take it.


    While those wins certainly should be taken with a grain of salt, I think you are a bit too far to the other side of "They mean fuck-all". I think everyone of those wins showed translateable skills and abilities that will only improve as the season moves on.

    Right now, Playoff series with any of them would be iffy .. but 50 games from now? I'll take our chances against any of them.
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Why? They ARE the same Atlanta...



    EVERYONE? If thats the case, then everyone is still beating them ...



    100 Players? Man, easy on the hyperbole. LOL
    Agreed about the Dallas game, so we're 7-2 with DD against Playoff Teams... I'll take it.


    While those wins certainly should be taken with a grain of salt, I think you are a bit too far to the other side of "They mean fuck-all". I think everyone of those wins showed translateable skills and abilities that will only improve as the season moves on.

    Right now, Playoff series with any of them would be iffy .. but 50 games from now? I'll take our chances against any of them.
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Why? They ARE the same Atlanta...



    EVERYONE? If thats the case, then everyone is still beating them ...



    100 Players? Man, easy on the hyperbole. LOL
    Agreed about the Dallas game, so we're 7-2 with DD against Playoff Teams... I'll take it.


    While those wins certainly should be taken with a grain of salt, I think you are a bit too far to the other side of "They mean fuck-all". I think everyone of those wins showed translateable skills and abilities that will only improve as the season moves on.

    Right now, Playoff series with any of them would be iffy .. but 50 games from now? I'll take our chances against any of them.
    but they arent the same atlanta.



    just like how we haven't been the same toronto compared to earlier in the year.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    but they arent the same atlanta.



    just like how we haven't been the same toronto compared to earlier in the year.
    OK, but personel wise, they are. So it wouldn't be DUMB to say that.

    But anyway, no team has ever gotten hot before and gone on a run..?

    Not to say Atlanta isn't legit good. They are. But I wouldn't say they are any better than we are when we are on our game.

    And funny enough, we haven't been the same Toronto since Demar went down ...
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Because no team has ever gotten hot before and gone on a run..?
    Not to say Atlanta isn't legit good. They are. But I wouldn't say they are any better than we are when we are on our game.

    And funny enough, we haven't been the same Toronto since Demar went down ...
    It's true we aren't the same team, but we are still effective.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    but they arent the same atlanta.



    just like how we haven't been the same toronto compared to earlier in the year.
    You'll also notice that in that time span given (after Thanksgiving) they've played more games against Bottom-10 teams than they did before hand as well. And many more than Top-10 teams.

    When more than half of your 13 game sample size is played against Bottom-10 Offenses, it shouldn't be a huge surprise they are posting a #1 Defense throughout that same sample.
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    Because no team has ever gotten hot before and gone on a run..?
    Not to say Atlanta isn't legit good. They are. But I wouldn't say they are any better than we are when we are on our game.

    And funny enough, we haven't been the same Toronto since Demar went down ...
    that depends on whether you think toronto was on a hot run or whether we were just that good. it could be attributed to demars presence/absence, or more than likely there was no way we were gonna keep winning at an 80% pace.

    as for atlanta they are currently top 7 offense and top 5 defense. thats INCLUDING after they went on their insane west road trip and destroyed everyone (which isnt even shown in that chart). i dont think even during any of torontos hot runs we were ever near those ranks.

    and i think the point still stands that a good chunk of those games had huge asterisks on them.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    that depends on whether you think toronto was on a hot run or whether we were just that good. it could be attributed to demars presence/absence, or more than likely there was no way we were gonna keep winning at an 80% pace.

    as for atlanta they are currently top 7 offense and top 5 defense. thats including after they went on their insane west road trip and destroyed everyone. i dont think even during any of torontos hot runs we were ever near those ranks.

    and i think the point still stands that a good chunk of those games had huge asterisks on them.
    We certainly have been ranked higher than #7 Offense ...

    And have you gone through Atlanta's games and applied all of their Asterisks to their wins? I'm sure a few would exist.
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    Quote Joey wrote: View Post
    We certainly have been ranked higher than #7 Offense ...

    And have you gone through Atlanta's games and applied all of their Asterisks to their wins? I'm sure a few would exist.
    sorry i meant at the same time. i mean honestly, who really cares about a tip top offense if your defense is in the bottom 20s...

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