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    How many doughnuts did PG bake? Hibbert wasn't just playing 'piss poor,' his boxscores looked like my honey nut cheerios.
    The whole team looked wrong. Hibbert not setting good screens effects George, Lance doing Lance things even more as PG is less effective. Hill gets affected. Something was wrong in the locker room.

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    Quote Pele wrote: View Post
    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/6...umors-nba-2014

    I don't suppose the Pacers would straight up trade for Amir. However, is there anything the Raps could put together to make it a go.....and would it be worth trying?
    Hibbert for Amir... Much rather keep Amir. Don't think Toronto fans can stomach another expensive dud..

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    no one is saying to replace JV with hibbert. nor am i saying he should join the raptors. just hilarious how peoples opinions change after a short stint in poor performance. i guess ross must hugely suck now too since he was awful in the playoffs. lets get rid of him!
    Some people's opinions don't change. Always thought Hibbert was quite overrated. I liked him as a prospect coming into the league, but mostly in the sense that getting a legit starting C in the mid-late first round is a steal. Thought he'd at best be a bit above average...and I don't think he's there...think he's fully average because how mediocre he is at everything except rim protection really offsets what he gives you there. Also, if you watch him enough, he's not very good defensively in any other way. Not a great post defender at all...can't guard p'n'r either. Can't balance protecting the basket and D-ing up his own man if his man can score. It's pretty common if he's facing a team with a decent offensive C, he hesitates a lot, being unsure of whether to leave his man to help or not.

    I never thought he was a good comparison for Jonas, and hated when people made the comparison. The only thing they both do is that the Raps staff is getting Jonas to work hard on vertical contests rather than swiping for a block. Nothing else about JV's game looks like Hibbert's. They have different bodies and skill sets.

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    No. And the major reason is "why is Larry Bird & the Pacers willing to let him go".

    The Pacers rarely make a big mistake on talent so there must be something that is seemingly irreversible about his stay in Indy. Portland who actually gave him the contract which was matched by Indy seems to uninterested as well (Lopez does the job much more cheaply).
    It seems like everyone who leaves the Pacers suddenly gets better. Look at players they traded or let go over the last few years, vast majority of them got better after leaving. And most people they signed over the last few years were better before joining the Pacers. Pacers are the low point for most players. I'm sure part of it is Vogel's offensive shortcomings.

    Remember that Plumlee/pick/Gerald Green for Scola trade last summer? A calamity, one of the worst trades in recent memory that didn't involve an all star.

    I wouldn't avoid a trade just because Larry Bird wants to do it.

    Hibbert is a far better defender than Lopez. But obviously this wouldn't be a Lopez-Hibbert trade, and that's the problem. The Blazers aren't going to move Aldridge for Hibbert, they probably aren't even going to give up Batum.

    Same reason why it's not feasible for the Raptors.
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    Quote BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
    It seems like everyone who leaves the Pacers suddenly gets better. Look at players they traded or let go over the last few years, vast majority of them got better after leaving. And most people they signed over the last few years were better before joining the Pacers. Pacers are the low point for most players. I'm sure part of it is Vogel's offensive shortcomings.

    Remember that Plumlee/pick/Gerald Green for Scola trade last summer? A calamity, one of the worst trades in recent memory that didn't involve an all star.

    I wouldn't avoid a trade just because Larry Bird wants to do it.

    Hibbert is a far better defender than Lopez. But obviously this wouldn't be a Lopez-Hibbert trade, and that's the problem. The Blazers aren't going to move Aldridge for Hibbert, they probably aren't even going to give up Batum.

    Same reason why it's not feasible for the Raptors.
    On bolds...agree....with caveat that Scola was acquired as a piece to put them over the top (so he paid the price) but he regressed/did not perform/not used properly...saw him miss shots that were automatic in his career.

    As my post suggests I also believe that Hibbert is being shopped possibly because of locker room/head issues. As we all know the season started out with a bang and then.... personally I tend to put much weight on the mental strengths of players at this level given some parameters for actual talent of course.

    Did Hibbert lose his physical talents over the course of the season? I think not. I am however suggesting that a combination of Bird, Donnie Walsh and Kevin Pritchard and Vogel have seemingly determined that their linchpin centre needs to go and I would be careful of dealing for H. And this reasoning is not restricted to the Raptors

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    Quote Pele wrote: View Post
    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/6...umors-nba-2014

    I don't suppose the Pacers would straight up trade for Amir. However, is there anything the Raps could put together to make it a go.....and would it be worth trying?

    Nope

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    I don't hate Hibbert, I think he can plausibly rebuild his game to be an effective veteran and use his impressive size better.

    But I have no interest in trading for him, even if you could get him for expirings. The current core + Hibbert does not equal a championship, and we'd ruin our ability to take on another big contract at a position of actual need (SF, maybe PF) in the next couple years. Right now he's an upgrade on Jonas. There's a possibility that Jonas will never be as good as Hibbert was at his prime. But it seems reasonable that within two years, following current trajectories, JV will be the better player.
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    If your looking for "the biggest guy in the league" id rather take my chances with sim bhuller

    Would probably do everything hibbett does but on a fraction of the price. Hibbert is better but i woould rather sim
    Please tell me this is a joke.

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    I agree with everyone who says that the Raptors would have no need for him, especially if you have to give up a couple assets to do it. Too much money and too long of a term to spend on a guy who is redundant with a young key piece that should be getting the bulk of the centre minutes for the next few seasons.

    But some team will do well to buy low on him. He's still an elite rim protector and defender by a lot of metrics, and that was even with his numbers being dragged down by his mental tailspin to end the year. He's proving to be a bit high maintenance but he's not a bad guy in the least. His next team may have to spend some time building his confidence back up but he'll be a good player for some team that is the right fit, especially if they get him on the cheap.
    Last edited by Fully; Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 10:34 PM.

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    Please tell me this is a joke.
    Its not...i would bleed my eyes out if the raptors get him. Absolutly no need for him unless we are getting rid of jonas which doesnt make much sense.

    I would geneuinly rather not ever get hibbert even if we give up hayes and fields. Hes too much money for too little production
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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    Its not...i would bleed my eyes out if the raptors get him. Absolutly no need for him unless we are getting rid of jonas which doesnt make much sense.
    So you would rather the Raptors not take a kid who went undrafted and didn't receive a single invite to Summer League because you're worried that it might cause a logjam at Centre and stunt JV's growth?



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    Quote Yabadabayolo wrote: View Post
    Its not...i would bleed my eyes out if the raptors get him. Absolutly no need for him unless we are getting rid of jonas which doesnt make much sense.

    I would geneuinly rather not ever get hibbert even if we give up hayes and fields. Hes too much money for too little production
    I'm in agreement that the Raptors should have little interest whatsoever in Hibbert. But saying that you'd prefer Bhullar over Hibbert in any context (outside of a pie eating contest) is crazy. You're comparing a 2x all star to a guy who will probably never play a second in the NBA.

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    No thanks. He's pretty much a very very very rich man's Aaron Grey with Andrea Bargnani's rebounding skills.

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    Cant believe this thread went that far.

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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    So you would rather the Raptors not take a kid who went undrafted and didn't receive a single invite to Summer League because you're worried that it might cause a logjam at Centre and stunt JV's growth?
    Not questioning the merits of Bhullar vs. Hibbert. But just for the record, Bhullar is on the Kings' summer-league team (Ranadive sentimental choice, most likely).
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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    So you would rather the Raptors not take a kid who went undrafted and didn't receive a single invite to Summer League because you're worried that it might cause a logjam at Centre and stunt JV's growth?


    I was talking about hibbert. I would love to take a chance on sim
    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    I'm in agreement that the Raptors should have little interest whatsoever in Hibbert. But saying that you'd prefer Bhullar over Hibbert in any context (outside of a pie eating contest) is crazy. You're comparing a 2x all star to a guy who will probably never play a second in the NBA.
    I prefer sim over hibbert on this raptors team any day
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    Hibberts salary is the issue.

    as for his performance.... he can play, and when he' son, he is a big deal. You have to ask WHY did he collapse..... seems that whole squad imploded, and completely. I dont know what happened there, but I can assume it wasn't pretty, and that Hibbert was part of it. Throw salary out and I would assume, that a new, healthy environment with solid leadership and PEER influence would help a guy turn it back around.

    So hibbert isn't at all a problem on the Raptors..... his salary is.

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