I never thought he was a good comparison for Jonas, and hated when people made the comparison. The only thing they both do is that the Raps staff is getting Jonas to work hard on vertical contests rather than swiping for a block. Nothing else about JV's game looks like Hibbert's. They have different bodies and skill sets.
Remember that Plumlee/pick/Gerald Green for Scola trade last summer? A calamity, one of the worst trades in recent memory that didn't involve an all star.
I wouldn't avoid a trade just because Larry Bird wants to do it.
Hibbert is a far better defender than Lopez. But obviously this wouldn't be a Lopez-Hibbert trade, and that's the problem. The Blazers aren't going to move Aldridge for Hibbert, they probably aren't even going to give up Batum.
Same reason why it's not feasible for the Raptors.
Last edited by BobLoblaw; Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 02:58 PM.
As my post suggests I also believe that Hibbert is being shopped possibly because of locker room/head issues. As we all know the season started out with a bang and then.... personally I tend to put much weight on the mental strengths of players at this level given some parameters for actual talent of course.
Did Hibbert lose his physical talents over the course of the season? I think not. I am however suggesting that a combination of Bird, Donnie Walsh and Kevin Pritchard and Vogel have seemingly determined that their linchpin centre needs to go and I would be careful of dealing for H. And this reasoning is not restricted to the Raptors
I don't hate Hibbert, I think he can plausibly rebuild his game to be an effective veteran and use his impressive size better.
But I have no interest in trading for him, even if you could get him for expirings. The current core + Hibbert does not equal a championship, and we'd ruin our ability to take on another big contract at a position of actual need (SF, maybe PF) in the next couple years. Right now he's an upgrade on Jonas. There's a possibility that Jonas will never be as good as Hibbert was at his prime. But it seems reasonable that within two years, following current trajectories, JV will be the better player.
I agree with everyone who says that the Raptors would have no need for him, especially if you have to give up a couple assets to do it. Too much money and too long of a term to spend on a guy who is redundant with a young key piece that should be getting the bulk of the centre minutes for the next few seasons.
But some team will do well to buy low on him. He's still an elite rim protector and defender by a lot of metrics, and that was even with his numbers being dragged down by his mental tailspin to end the year. He's proving to be a bit high maintenance but he's not a bad guy in the least. His next team may have to spend some time building his confidence back up but he'll be a good player for some team that is the right fit, especially if they get him on the cheap.
Last edited by Fully; Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 09:34 PM.
I'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson
No thanks. He's pretty much a very very very rich man's Aaron Grey with Andrea Bargnani's rebounding skills.
Cant believe this thread went that far.
Hibberts salary is the issue.
as for his performance.... he can play, and when he' son, he is a big deal. You have to ask WHY did he collapse..... seems that whole squad imploded, and completely. I dont know what happened there, but I can assume it wasn't pretty, and that Hibbert was part of it. Throw salary out and I would assume, that a new, healthy environment with solid leadership and PEER influence would help a guy turn it back around.
So hibbert isn't at all a problem on the Raptors..... his salary is.
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