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Thread: How much is Derozan worth in today's market? Is he max?

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    I know you're just Jamshitting,,,,, I mean stirring the pot on your GV rants, but you pay a premium for a 2 yr only deal. Makes it not an overpay as a quality 6th man, which he became.
    Keep it Clean ... 6th manx!!! I have a feeling that Lou will make you eat that. Also, if we manage to get a REAL SF, then Ross will be coming off the bench as well which then makes G.V. the 8th or 9th man off the bench.

    As far as premium for 2 year deal, we had no reason to do so. We could have signed him to a 3 year deal around 13.5-14 and have almost the same cap situations and ...

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    Hayward, parsons, DeRozan.... Neither worth max

    But I think right now all get it because market says so.

    The player option on derozans contract is really unfortunate.
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    derozan is easily worth max. look at how he improves every summer. If he weren`t so ugly you could call him kobe.
    look at this clip of him a coouple days ago, totally ripped.

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    The market is so distorted. If true max guys could be paid the $25mm+ they deserve, then these mid-tier guys like Hayward and Parsons would settle down in the neighborhood of $10mm or less. Derozan might be a deserving $12mm-ish, but in this market he'd probably get the max.

    The only thing I want to be sure of is that we get our Grade A franchise player in place before (or at least at the same time as) we give Demar his big pay bump. I don't want us to be constrained by our ceiling. Lowry and Demar are a solid backcourt, but we are at least one major piece away from title contention. Hopefully Masai can figure out how to land that piece by the time we have to make some hard decisions about salary.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    The market is so distorted. If true max guys could be paid the $25mm+ they deserve, then these mid-tier guys like Hayward and Parsons would settle down in the neighborhood of $10mm or less. Derozan might be a deserving $12mm-ish, but in this market he'd probably get the max.

    The only thing I want to be sure of is that we get our Grade A franchise player in place before (or at least at the same time as) we give Demar his big pay bump. I don't want us to be constrained by our ceiling. Lowry and Demar are a solid backcourt, but we are at least one major piece away from title contention. Hopefully Masai can figure out how to land that piece by the time we have to make some hard decisions about salary.
    This. If we can get that guy in the 2015 offseason or maybe even 2015/16 regular season, then paying DeMar isn't a problem. If we have a superstar guy, then overpaying a bit to keep the rest of the roster intact isn't a big issue, because we have a title contender either way.

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    Demar would get around $15M per is my guess, maybe a bit more if he was on the market today. But like DanH mentioned, it's a little different for RFA's, teams usually have to overpay to lure or retain decent RFA's. I believe Demar in two seasons will opt out and hit UFA, so that may keep the price down a bit. Nonetheless, in two more seasons, if he improves or at least maintains his level of play, and with the cap projected to increase, it really wouldn't surprise me if he got $16M + per (if that's possible, I know there are limits based on time in the league and I am not sure where Demar would fit in two seasons).

    As a side note, his player option looks crappy because he is a value contract (which few expected), but that option may have been necessary to prevent him from going to RFA. Maybe...I don't know...it was BC's deal so who knows, but it does look pretty good atm.

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    Quote Jamshid wrote: View Post
    We could have signed [Vasquez] to a 3 year deal around 13.5-14 and have almost the same cap situations and ...
    Lol, how could you possible know what Grievis was willing to accept?
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    If we're using Hayward as our comparable, then DeRozan is worth max. If we're using Lebron as our comparable, then he's not.

    The lesson to be learned is that nobody in the NBA knows exactly what a max contract should buy. Like anything, a player's contract will be determined by market situations. If there are a long list of buyers, with a shortage of available free agents, DeMar (like Hayward), could get rewarded nicely. Supply and demand.
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    DeRozan isn't max contract player yet, but he'd get max in the market
    Kinda why I hope people shut the fuck up about him this year and realize that DD on 9.5 a year, if he were signed by MU today coming from another team would make people's heads fucking fall off with amazement. there would be great masses making love in Raptors Square.

    instead, we get idiotstick posters droning on and on about how shitty the guy is.

    Can we put this to rest now. You have an allstar who makes chump money for what, 3 more year???? be happy. it aint about him being the best SG in the NBA, its about what that extra 4-5 million on your roster will allow you to buy down the road, all while KEEPING a guy like derozan, who is a fucking GEM of a player to have on a team.

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    seems like cap space is only truly an asset when you have it and other's don't currently having middle tier contracts 5 - 10m range seems to me more advantageous than cap space

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    I will admit that I'm one of the few that hated Demar's contract. I'm eating my words for breakfast right now.

    PS> If he marginally improves his dribbling and defense for the upcoming season, I'll be eating the same words for lunch and dinner as well.
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    I think, anywhere from 13-15 should be his price range.

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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    Kinda why I hope people shut the fuck up about him this year and realize that DD on 9.5 a year, if he were signed by MU today coming from another team would make people's heads fucking fall off with amazement. there would be great masses making love in Raptors Square.

    instead, we get idiotstick posters droning on and on about how shitty the guy is.

    Can we put this to rest now. You have an allstar who makes chump money for what, 3 more year???? be happy. it aint about him being the best SG in the NBA, its about what that extra 4-5 million on your roster will allow you to buy down the road, all while KEEPING a guy like derozan, who is a fucking GEM of a player to have on a team.
    Who is that?

    To be honest you are coming off as an idiotstick.
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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    Kinda why I hope people shut the fuck up about him this year and realize that DD on 9.5 a year, if he were signed by MU today coming from another team would make people's heads fucking fall off with amazement. there would be great masses making love in Raptors Square.

    instead, we get idiotstick posters droning on and on about how shitty the guy is.

    Can we put this to rest now. You have an allstar who makes chump money for what, 3 more year???? be happy. it aint about him being the best SG in the NBA, its about what that extra 4-5 million on your roster will allow you to buy down the road, all while KEEPING a guy like derozan, who is a fucking GEM of a player to have on a team.
    I only liked this because of the first and last block of text. The middle line was unnecessary, seriously.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Lol, how could you possible know what Grievis was willing to accept?
    LOL, How could you not know !!! 3 year 13.5-14 is the reasonable contract. MU over paid to make it shorter I guess. What do we gain by G.V. shorter contract for one year is beyond me and DanH can probably look at the numbers and tell us.

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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    Kinda why I hope people shut the fuck up about him this year and realize that DD on 9.5 a year, if he were signed by MU today coming from another team would make people's heads fucking fall off with amazement. there would be great masses making love in Raptors Square.

    instead, we get idiotstick posters droning on and on about how shitty the guy is.


    Can we put this to rest now. You have an allstar who makes chump money for what, 3 more year???? be happy. it aint about him being the best SG in the NBA, its about what that extra 4-5 million on your roster will allow you to buy down the road, all while KEEPING a guy like derozan, who is a fucking GEM of a player to have on a team.
    Nice Post ... DD is above every single player on this team and has much higher potential. We all know he has bunch of blind haters here who are just embarrassing themselves by every single post.

    DD is going to SHUT them UP again this season by showing improvement to his game and taking more steps toward becoming a more dominate player.

    If he was a FA this summer, he could have easily get a 15-16 million a year contract.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    Hayward, parsons, DeRozan.... Neither worth max

    But I think right now all get it because market says so.

    The player option on derozans contract is really unfortunate.
    Wow, I never knew that he had a player option! I am not too worried about it right now though.
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    I remember when Colangelo resigned DeMar. Some people were losing their mind that he totally blew it.

    NBA ownership are a bunch of hypocrites. They come to the bargaining table looking to claw back more and more because they're "not making money" and then they turn around and make every effort to waste money in all avenues. They just can't help themselves.

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    Demar deserves the player option as far as I'm concerned. You get him at a discount for 3 seasons, he should have the option to re-up after that. Colangelo had faith he would improve like he has, and he has put the work in to prove it, so he deserves it.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I remember when Colangelo resigned DeMar. Some people were losing their mind that he totally blew it.

    NBA ownership are a bunch of hypocrites. They come to the bargaining table looking to claw back more and more because they're "not making money" and then they turn around and make every effort to waste money in all avenues. They just can't help themselves.
    This. And I think people need to stop shitting on the player option. It was probably a deal-breaker, especially for a guy like DeRozan that prides himself on trying to get better every year. He probably wanted a chance to opt out early and get more money if he improves to an all-star level. Right now he is actually underpaid based on the market.

    And people saying we should've just given him 4yrs at 11-12M per year (with no player option instead) are nuts. RealGM/Raptors and this site would've shut down permanently if that happened.

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