If you think there contracts are overpays, look at the other ridiculous deals doing around. Parsons and Hayward making absurd amounts...
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We seem to think that Masai is the one that controls all. It's the market. Orlando just had 2 ridiculous contracts in Gordon and Frye. Agents know their frames of references. Gordon + Frye = 41M vs. Patterson + Vasquez = 29M. Which would you rather have?
PS> Longest contract is Frye's for 4 vs. Patterson's 3.“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
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Superjudge wrote: View PostHaving the same team back isn't wht this team needs unless we are assuming there are vast amounts of improvement left for some of these guys. Thye were a flash in the pan first round exit team.....the fans made a bigger playoff impact than they did really.
But next summer, we project to have 15M in cap room to offer to a max-ish level guy, without losing anyone except our expirings (mostly dead weight like Fields, Hayes, Williams, Hansbrough, but also Amir). Then the year after we will have assets coming out our ears with a lot of flexibility cap wise.
This year is and always has been a transition year. There just wasn't the ability to retain talent AND add talent. Next year there will be.
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None of us have any real idea what the competition was for our players. Most of the forum wanted a 9-10/yr deal for Lowry at the end of the season. Now most believe his deal isnt so bad. If we thought that about 10 for 2Pat & GV would be acceptable then considering all the factors including some of the massive overpays happening with free agents, a 2.5 excess is not too bad especially if MU is still managing the cap to ensure all/most roster needs are met incl. future yr. cap availability. I have a feeling that GV will be an important trade chip in the year coming up...he is starter material especially for one of the lesser teams (apologies GV).
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DanH wrote: View PostA quick note for you. With these signings, we are pretty much set for this year.
But next summer, we project to have 15M in cap room to offer to a max-ish level guy, without losing anyone except our expirings (mostly dead weight like Fields, Hayes, Williams, Hansbrough, but also Amir). Then the year after we will have assets coming out our ears with a lot of flexibility cap wise.
This year is and always has been a transition year. There just wasn't the ability to retain talent AND add talent. Next year there will be.
After 2014-15, all of Colangelo's mistakes are rectified and his good decisions should be flourishing.
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Given the market for stretch fours presently - Channing Frye got four years at $8m per year, Boris Diaw 7.5 per for three years, even McBob got just under 6 per year with the Heat - Patterson's contract is eminently reasonable. He's the type of player who's highly in demand at present, and unlike most of the stretch fours out there he's still young and has room to grow.
Vasquez is an overpay to be sure and anybody pretending that it's not is just wrong; "he's getting $13m over two years instead of three" doesn't change the fact that he's overpaid because somebody's gonna pay him come year three. But it's not an egregious overpay, at least.
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Jamshid wrote: View PostUnles MU add his own mistakes ...
G.V. ??
James Johnson ??
JJ if he ends up being a mistake he is an easily flushed mistake.For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar
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magoon wrote: View PostGiven the market for stretch fours presently - Channing Frye got four years at $8m per year, Boris Diaw 7.5 per for three years, even McBob got just under 6 per year with the Heat - Patterson's contract is eminently reasonable. He's the type of player who's highly in demand at present, and unlike most of the stretch fours out there he's still young and has room to grow.
Vasquez is an overpay to be sure and anybody pretending that it's not is just wrong; "he's getting $13m over two years instead of three" doesn't change the fact that he's overpaid because somebody's gonna pay him come year three. But it's not an egregious overpay, at least.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostIs it even possible for 2 year deals to be considered "mistakes"?
Guys, that 10-day contract was just too expensive. Masai blew it.
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