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    How do you know what the owners and the commissioner will do in the process of negotiatiom

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    Quote Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
    How do you know what the owners and the commissioner will do in the process of negotiatiom
    Because it was reported that the owners had no interest in fronting cap. And also because I am able to think critically about money, and look at the decisions made by owners in the past. And draw reasonable conclusions from that.

    And again, your proposal makes no sense - the idea of frontloading cap is to reduce the rate at which it jumps, yet in your scenario, it hits 100M far faster than it would if just left alone.

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    Presuming the owners don't take the Tv contract for the full amount of 2.66 billion a year, instead commencing the contract at 2.1 billion and increasing it annually through the duration of the contract .

    If 2015/16 the salary cap is $67 million, the flat value fee is $ 24-25 million increase due to the media deal in 2016/17 plus a 5% projected increase due to other ancillary revenues, so the one time increase would bring the salary cap for 2016/17 commences at $95/6 milllion.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    Yeah, 24B over 9 years is what is being reported. Cap would jump to 95M or so. We'll see if they managed to frontload some of that into 2015-16, or backload the deal over the 9 years to give some cushion. Hopefully more details when they announce at 10.
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    Presuming the owners don't take the Tv contract for the full amount of 2.66 billion a year, instead commencing the contract at 2.1 billion and increasing it annually through the duration of the contract .

    If 2015/16 the salary cap is $67 million, the flat value fee is $ 24-25 million increase due to the media deal in 2016/17 plus a 5% projected increase due to other ancillary revenues, so the one time increase would bring the salary cap for 2016/17 commences at $95/6 milllion.
    Dude, we did the math back in the fall. Nothing has changed, except the union rejecting the idea of smoothing.

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    Dude ? Wow , yes we did, and than you stated that my numbers are wrong . Yet the two quotes above the numbers seem very similar.

    Smoothing was initially rejected by the union and yet the union made a reply . Than Silver states he expects the union and he to talk even though the union proposal of moving monies from the Tv contract one year prior to the actual contract.

    The old adage , it is not over to the fat lady sings is apropos.

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    another lock on the way... longer this time.

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    Quote Superjudge wrote: View Post
    another lock on the way... longer this time.
    I agree there is a lockout coming. Doubt it lasts as long as the last one, though. Just way too much money for both sides to miss games.

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    Quote Heatdreamer wrote: View Post
    Dude ? Wow , yes we did, and than you stated that my numbers are wrong . Yet the two quotes above the numbers seem very similar.

    Smoothing was initially rejected by the union and yet the union made a reply . Than Silver states he expects the union and he to talk even though the union proposal of moving monies from the Tv contract one year prior to the actual contract.

    The old adage , it is not over to the fat lady sings is apropos.
    Yes, the last post you got to (after several) made sense, because it was the exact same math we covered months ago. The earlier posts made zero sense as they somehow managed to accelerate the cap rising, when I assumed your intent was to slow it (smoothing).

    The union is open to earlier smoothing because it would make them hundreds of millions. The owners will only go for it with an increased escrow to pull that back, which will be a non-starter for the union. Anyone who paid attention to the last CBA negotiations can see there will likely be no significant smoothing. The full extent of what the league can do now is structure their TV contract with an increasing revenue (which was already the plan). There's even some question of whether they can do that (depends on the wording of the TV contract).

    Sure, it's not over 'till the fat lady sings. But she's good and warmed up, if you peek behind the curtain.

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    We agree on the lockout, the negotiation will be about share split, most other issues will be addressed by Silver to Roberts and the gaps will be narrowed by th union.

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    Larry Coons estimates salary cap as of Feb 21,2015 at 67.3 million, now that we have seen how the Raptors are playing. How would you adjust your initial commitments.

    Additionally , at least we know that the TV Deal is going to increase the BRI by at least 1.2 Billion ( rounded figure)- based on 51% sharing of 20.2 million dollars per team or possibly higher .

    Would you re-sign Lou as your 6 th man?-2/13 plus an option. With Atlanta playing well with Milsap and having traded Payne, this PF will probably unavailable. interested in your new perspective . Now that Reggie Jackson is no longer in OKC and they have shown their willing to exceed the luxury tax KD is seemingly aspirational.

    JJ is a revelation and is at worst your backup defensive stopper SF . Amir goes? Hansbourough , Hayes, Fields , Camby cap space, and Steemer for a savings of 24 million! If including a signing of LW the 53.5 plus cap holds and 2015 first round pick or $56.5 million leaving $11 million for a free agent before hitting salary cap.

    The 2016-17 year without GV would have a new look as well. Do you trade him for a faster PG, such as Trey Burke next year or a Patrick Beverly?

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    Looks like NBPA will not agree to cap smoothing.

    LeBron about to get paid like a fucking baseball player

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    The downside there, though, is that players in the free-agent class of 2016 will benefit disproportionately from the new TV money. Even teams that have been dealing with luxury-tax concerns will be free and clear under the new cap number, for that one glorious summer.

    In fact, only seven teams have $40 million or more committed past next year—Chicago, Golden State, Houston, the Clippers, New York, Oklahoma City, and Washington. Of those, only the Clippers (at about $58 million) are over $50 million in commitments.

    That means that 23 teams currently have the potential to enter the 2016 free-agency period with at least $50 million in cap space. Six figure to have around $40 million. And one will have almost $30 million.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    2016 is going to make 2010 look boring.
    To be fair, a lot of that will disappear with rookie scale extensions and cap holds for RFA's and draft picks, which I'm sure are not accounted for there, but it still projects as significantly more insane than 2010 was.

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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    2016 is going to make 2010 look boring.
    Depending how it all plays out, some teams could wind up looking very strategic in hind-sight, if they decided to dabble in free agency this coming offseason and/or the 2017 offseason, avoiding what is surely going to be an extreme crazy, unpredictable, over-paying 2016 offseason.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Depending how it all plays out, some teams could wind up looking very strategic in hind-sight, if they decided to dabble in free agency this coming offseason and/or the 2017 offseason, avoiding what is surely going to be an extreme crazy, unpredictable, over-paying 2016 offseason.
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    will still be the haves and have nots.

    nothing changes

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Depending how it all plays out, some teams could wind up looking very strategic in hind-sight, if they decided to dabble in free agency this coming offseason and/or the 2017 offseason, avoiding what is surely going to be an extreme crazy, unpredictable, over-paying 2016 offseason.
    The 2017 offseason is going to have the unpredictability of the CBA negotiation, though. While I think the most likely result is a half-season lost (and a short free-agency period before the season starts), both sides are making preparations to last through a longer lockout and I could see the whole season being wiped out... which is going to suck for teams that went all-in on a win now strategy and lose a year of their players' prime. You don't want to be the 1994 Expos, where your championship opportunity is destroyed by a work stoppage. I can't begin to imagine what the ideal strategy for roster management is leading into 2017, but I'd lean toward trying to put together a team that will peak in 2018-19 or later.
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