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    Irving is the second best player or that team by a country mile. If he goes down, it's like Wade or Bosh (more likely both) going down in Miami. The team struggled mightily when one of the big 3 was out, let alone both.
    When did they struggle mightily?? They still got 54 wins and that's with wade sitting out half the season.

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    When did they struggle mightily?? They still got 56 wins and that's with wade sitting out half the season.
    Did they not fall out of first place while Wade was on the bench? I guess "mightily" was unnecessary, but they definitely struggled without Wade. Losing Irving would be kinda the equivalent of losing both Wade and Bosh though, as Cleveland doesn't have anyone else close to their talents except Irving. Bosh could pick up some of the slack when Wade was out, who does that in Cleveland while Irving is out? Waiters? Yikes......

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    My Prediction:

    1. Cavs:

    Irving / Dellavadova
    Waiters / M.Miller / Ray Allen ? / Harris / Felix
    LeBron / Wiggins / Bennett
    Thompson / Powell
    Verajao / Haywood

    2. Bulls

    D.Rose / Fredette / M.James
    Hinrich / Snell
    J.Butler / Dunleavy / McDermott
    P.Gasol / T.Gibson / Bairstow / Amundson
    Noah / Mohammed

    3. Wizards

    Wall / A.Miller
    Beal / Temple / Rice
    Pierce / Webster / Harrington / Porter
    Nene / Humphries / Singleton / Gooden
    Gortat / Seraphin

    4. Raptors

    Lowry / Vasquez / Buycks
    DeRozan / L.Williams / Fields
    Ross / J.Johnson / Caboclo
    A.Johnson / Patterson / Hayes
    Valinciunas / Hansborough / Bebe

    5. Pacers

    Hill / Watson / Sloan
    Stevenson / Miles
    George / R. Butler / S.Hill / Rudez
    West / Scola / Copeland
    Hibbert /L. Allen


    6. Heat

    Chalmers / Naiper / Cole
    Wade / Granger / Douglas
    Deng / Beasely / J.Jones
    Bosh / McRoberts / Haslem
    C.Anderson / Oden / Hamilton


    7. Pistons

    Jennings / Augustine / R.Stucky / W.Bynum
    Meeks / Caldwell-Pope / Dinwiddlie
    J.Smith / C.Butler / T.Mitchell / Singular / Datome
    Monroe / Jerebko / Villanueva
    Drummond

    8. Nets

    D.Williams / J.Jack / M.Teague / Gutierrez
    A.Anderson / Karasev / M.Brown
    J.Johnson / C.Jefferson
    Garnett / Teletovic / Kirilenko
    B.Lopez / M.Plumlee / J.Collins

    9. Knicks

    Calderon / Larkin / Prigioni
    JR. Smith / Hardaway / Ellington
    Anthony / Shumpert / C.Early / Antetokounmpo
    A.Stoudamire / J. Smith / K.Martin
    Dalembert / Barganani / Aldrich


    10. Hawks

    J.Teague / Mack / Schroder
    Korver / Sefalosha / L.Patterson
    Milsap / Caroll / M.Scott / C.Martin
    Payne / Brand / Ayon
    Horford / Antic / Tavares / Muscala


    11. Bucks

    Knight / Sessions
    O.J Mayo / Delfino / Wolters
    J.Parker / G.Antetokounpo / Middleton / Inglis
    Henson / Ilyasova / Udoh
    Sandars / Pacullia / Raduljica



    12 Hornets

    K.Walker / Ridnour / Pargo
    Henderson / G.Neal
    P.J Hairston / J.Taylor / Roberts / Tolliver
    N.Vonleh / Gilchrist / Zeller / White
    Al-Jefferson / Biyombo


    13. Celtics

    Rondo / Bayless / Thronton / Pressey
    A.Bradley / Smart / Bogans
    Green / J.Young / G.Wallace
    Bass / Sullinger / T.Zeller
    Olynyk / Faverani / J.Anthony

    14. Magic

    E.Payton / Fournier / W.Green
    Oladipo / B.Gordon / Moore
    T.Harris / A.Gordon / Harkless / Nicholson
    C.Frye / O'Quinn / A.Randolph
    Vucevic / Dedmon


    15. Sixers

    M.C.Williams / E.Williams
    T.Wrotten / James Anderson / McRae / H.Thompson
    T.Young / K.J Mcdaniels / Jerami Grant
    D.Saric / Moultrie / Varnado / Davies
    Embiid / Noel / Sims / Mullens
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    Quote rapba wrote: View Post
    My Prediction:

    1. Cavs:

    Irving / Dellavadova
    Waiters / M.Miller / Ray Allen ? / Harris / Felix
    LeBron / Wiggins / Bennett
    Thompson / Powell
    Verajao / Haywood

    2. Bulls

    D.Rose / Fredette / M.James
    Hinrich / Snell
    J.Butler / Dunleavy / McDermott
    P.Gasol / T.Gibson / Bairstow / Amundson
    Noah / Mohammed

    3. Wizards

    Wall / A.Miller
    Beal / Temple / Rice
    Pierce / Webster / Harrington / Porter
    Nene / Humphries / Singleton / Gooden
    Gortat / Seraphin

    4. Raptors

    Lowry / Vasquez / Buycks
    DeRozan / L.Williams / Fields
    Ross / J.Johnson / Caboclo
    A.Johnson / Patterson / Hayes
    Valinciunas / Hansborough / Bebe

    5. Pacers

    Hill / Watson / Sloan
    Stevenson / Miles
    George / R. Butler / S.Hill / Rudez
    West / Scola / Copeland
    Hibbert /L. Allen


    6. Heat

    Chalmers / Naiper / Cole
    Wade / Granger / Douglas
    Deng / Beasely / J.Jones
    Bosh / McRoberts / Haslem
    C.Anderson / Oden / Hamilton


    7. Pistons

    Jennings / Augustine / R.Stucky / W.Bynum
    Meeks / Caldwell-Pope / Dinwiddlie
    J.Smith / C.Butler / T.Mitchell / Singular / Datome
    Monroe / Jerebko / Villanueva
    Drummond

    8. Nets

    D.Williams / J.Jack / M.Teague / Gutierrez
    A.Anderson / Karasev / M.Brown
    J.Johnson / C.Jefferson
    Garnett / Teletovic / Kirilenko
    B.Lopez / M.Plumlee / J.Collins

    9. Knicks

    Calderon / Larkin / Prigioni
    JR. Smith / Hardaway / Ellington
    Anthony / Shumpert / C.Early / Antetokounmpo
    A.Stoudamire / K.Martin
    Dalembert / Barganani / Aldrich


    10. Hawks

    J.Teague / Mack / Schroder
    Korver / Sefalosha / L.Patterson
    Milsap / Caroll / M.Scott / C.Martin
    Payne / Brand / Ayon
    Horford / Antic / Tavares / Muscala


    11. Bucks

    Knight / Sessions
    O.J Mayo / Delfino / Wolters
    J.Parker / G.Antetokounpo / Middleton / Inglis
    Henson / Ilyasova / Udoh
    Sandars / Pacullia / Raduljica



    12 Hornets

    K.Walker / Ridnour / Pargo
    Henderson / G.Neal
    P.J Hairston / J.Taylor / Roberts / Tolliver
    N.Vonleh / Gilchrist / Zeller / White
    Al-Jefferson / Biyombo


    13. Celtics

    Rondo / Bayless / Thronton / Pressey
    A.Bradley / Smart / Bogans
    Green / J.Young / G.Wallace
    Bass / Sullinger / T.Zeller
    Olynyk / Faverani / J.Anthony

    14. Magic

    E.Payton / Fournier / W.Green
    Oladipo / B.Gordon / Moore
    T.Harris / A.Gordon / Harkless / Nicholson
    C.Frye / O'Quinn / A.Randolph
    Vucevic / Dedmon


    15. Sixers

    M.C.Williams / E.Williams
    T.Wrotten / James Anderson / McRae / H.Thompson
    T.Young / K.J Mcdaniels / Jerami Grant
    D.Saric / Moultrie / Varnado / Davies
    Embiid / Noel / Sims / Mullens
    That Cavs roster looks incredibly thin outside Lebron and Irving. I don't see how they could possibly be the top seed.
    Hawks at 10 seems a little ridiculous considering they didn't lose anyone, and are adding Horford back plus some good defenders from free agency.
    The Knicks are going to be abysmally bad. That roster straight up sucks.
    No idea how the Pistons make that jump when they're returning essentially the exact same dysfunctional roster.
    The Nets have gotten worse losing Pierce, not even sure if they're still a playoff team.
    No love for Charlotte either is a bit harsh.

    My prediction:
    1. Bulls
    2. Raptors
    3. Pacers
    4. Wizards
    5. Cavaliers
    6. Hawks
    7. Heat
    8. Hornets

    I expect it to be a fairly tight race too (all teams records relatively close). Not sure that a sub .500 team makes the playoffs in the East this year.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Did they not fall out of first place while Wade was on the bench? I guess "mightily" was unnecessary, but they definitely struggled without Wade. Losing Irving would be kinda the equivalent of losing both Wade and Bosh though, as Cleveland doesn't have anyone else close to their talents except Irving. Bosh could pick up some of the slack when Wade was out, who does that in Cleveland while Irving is out? Waiters? Yikes......
    Yeah, but there's also more supplemental talent. Irving at this point is better than Wade, and they don't have a Bosh. But having Waiters, Thompson, Wiggins, Varajao, Bennett should give them enough supplemental talent to keep them alive while waiting for Irving to come back.
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    My prediction

    1a Raptors
    1b Bulls
    3 Cavs
    4a Wizards
    4b Pacers
    6a Hornets
    6b Hawks
    6c Heat

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    My listing:

    1. Bulls
    2. Cavs
    3. Raptors
    4. Washington
    5. Pacers
    6. Hawks
    7. Heat
    8. Hornets
    _________

    9. Magic
    10. NY
    11. Brooklyn
    12. Bucks
    13. Pistons
    14. Celtics
    15. Sixers
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    My listing:

    1. Bulls
    2. Cavs
    3. Raptors
    4. Washington
    5. Pacers
    6. Hawks
    7. Heat
    8. Hornets
    _________

    9. Magic
    10. NY
    11. Brooklyn
    12. Bucks
    13. Pistons
    14. Celtics
    15. Sixers
    You accidently put the Cavs in 2nd...I understand mistakes happen. You should edit to put them in 8 or 9

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    Actually, yes way. He specifically added an opt out after year one to his 2 year deal. Did he do this for shits and giggles, or so that he had the option to leave Cleveland after this year? I'm leaning towards the latter.
    He added it to maximize his leverage as the cap grows. Lebron pays good money to financial advisors. This is what they advised him to do.

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    Irrelevant to the opt out clause after year one. The new TV deal isn't until 2016, so he's justified in the 2 year deal, but not in the year 1 opt out clause, as it will only be 2015 then and the new TV deal will still be a year away.
    Completely relevant. Financial acumen isn't random. Its calculated. This opt out is a calculated move to maximize his earnings in an expanding market.

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    2.) Lockout possibility is even further in the future. The next CBA discussion is set for ten years or if necessary in 2017. Lebron's contract ends a year before that, and his opt out clause in 2015 is 2 years before that.

    Neither of your points are valid reasons for an opt out after year one, they literally have no bearing at all.

    The only logical reason Lebron added the opt out clause after year one is so that if things are going the way he likes he can opt out and leave Cleveland. If he had any real loyalty to Cleveland he wouldn't have an opt out after year one.
    Primes your just dead ass wrong. Who ever wrote that letter to Lee Jenkins did a good job of ghost writing what Lebron feels. He is taking his family home to Akron. He is going to stay in Cleveland and he wants to be paid as the best player of his generation. By giving yourself the option to renegotiate your compenstation upwards each and every year in a growing market is smart business. Going home is personal business. The two are mutually exclusive.

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    He added it to maximize his leverage as the cap grows.
    Agree. You always want to maximize your leverage in any negotiation. Lebron's advisors have done that.

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    You accidently put the Cavs in 2nd...I understand mistakes happen. You should edit to put them in 8 or 9
    So Lebron's team doesn't automatically get home court advantage? Don't you feel this Cavs team is better than Lebron's previous Cavs teams?
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    So Lebron's team doesn't automatically get home court advantage? Don't you feel this Cavs team is better than Lebron's previous Cavs teams?
    nope...I've said it elsewhere...unless they trade some pieces this is a 8th seed.

    Dion Waiters has already started complaining that he is not coming off the bench.

    Thompson has plateaued, Wiggins is a rookie and Bennet might as well be. Verajao hasn't played a full healthy season in like 5 years... So barring a trade this is an 8th seed.

    Irving is a ball dominant PG, Waiters is a ball dominant SG and James is a ball dominant SF...the last time I checked there was only 1 basketball. This team is setup to implode and if they don't trade for complimentary pieces now they certainly will by the trade deadline.

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    the players are more individually talented than his last cleveland team...but that can sometimes be a problem...egos, roles all matter.

    THIS CAVS TEAM DOES NOT FIT

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    nope...I've said it elsewhere...unless they trade some pieces this is a 8th seed.

    Dion Waiters has already started complaining that he is not coming off the bench.

    Thompson has plateaued, Wiggins is a rookie and Bennet might as well be. Verajao hasn't played a full healthy season in like 5 years... So barring a trade this is an 8th seed.

    Irving is a ball dominant PG, Waiters is a ball dominant SG and James is a ball dominant SF...the last time I checked there was only 1 basketball. This team is setup to implode and if they don't trade for complimentary pieces now they certainly will by the trade deadline.
    I just think it's hard to judge until they get on the court, but given the talent, they could end up anywhere in the playoff picture. And then what if they make a trade or two for pieces that fit better? They could be very scary.

    Either way I think whatever position they finish in, they probably aren't faves to win the conference because that's hard for any team to do the first year they're together. What works in their favour though is that there is no clear-cut conference favourite at the moment. There's a lot of ifs with many teams.

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    absolutely if the CAVS make some trades by the deadline they could finish anywhere. The east is wide open. But I promise you, as they are currently constructed they will not be that great

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    nope...I've said it elsewhere...unless they trade some pieces this is a 8th seed.

    Dion Waiters has already started complaining that he is not coming off the bench.

    Thompson has plateaued, Wiggins is a rookie and Bennet might as well be. Verajao hasn't played a full healthy season in like 5 years... So barring a trade this is an 8th seed.

    Irving is a ball dominant PG, Waiters is a ball dominant SG and James is a ball dominant SF...the last time I checked there was only 1 basketball. This team is setup to implode and if they don't trade for complimentary pieces now they certainly will by the trade deadline.
    Just wanted to compare a younger Lebrons Final run with the 2006-2007 Cavs team:

    Larry Hughes - Damon Jones
    Sasha Pavlovic - Daniel Gibson
    Lebron James - Ira Newble
    Drew Gooden - Donyell Marshall
    Ilgauskas - Varajao

    = 50 wins, 2nd seed, made it to the NBA Finals


    This years Cavs team:

    Irving - Joe Harris
    Wiggins - Dion Waiters
    Lebron - Mike Miller
    Tristan - Anthony Bennet
    Varajao - Haywood

    Lets do a comparison, position to position, and bench vs bench.

    Irving > Hughes
    Wiggins > Pavlovic (albeit, Pavlovic is good for a spot up 3, and Wiggins is a rookie. Yet, Wiggins will still bring more to the table)
    Championship Lebron > Young Lebron
    Tristan = Gooden
    Varajao < Ilgauskas

    Really the 2 most important improvements are Irving, and an older Lebron. Wiggins will show flashes in some games that would make this Cavs team overpreform.

    Both benches are an utter wash. However, at least this years bench has scorers and Mike Miller.

    Now I understand this is now a different conference (2006 was the year Raps made 3rd seed), but this Cavs team will likely be a lot better than the Cavs that made the finals in 2006.
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    absolutely if the CAVS make some trades by the deadline they could finish anywhere. The east is wide open. But I promise you, as they are currently constructed they will not be that great
    They could finish anywhere regardless of trades. Trades would just make it far more likely they're a top 4 seed in the East.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    the players are more individually talented than his last cleveland team...but that can sometimes be a problem...egos, roles all matter.

    THIS CAVS TEAM DOES NOT FIT
    Fair enough. And it could be argued that the 2006 Cavs team had a better front court, and enough back court shooters to hide their deficiencies in that regard.

    This years Cavs are however unbalanced, with ball dominant wings next to Lebron, and a weaker front court. So even though individually there is probably more talent on this years team, it could be argued that they aren't likely to work cohesively.

    However, if things dont work out by midseason, expect a big trade.
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    Enlightenment you can't compare player to player because its a false representation. If you are saying this team is more talented I 100% agree with you.

    What I am saying is there are 4 Michael's and no Scottie. They are also not deep. My issue with this CAVS team is not talent but fit. and I don't think Irving or Waiters have it in themselves to submit to lesser roles. Wiggins might but that's not necessarily ideal for him

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